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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=495525600-07042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>15%+ superannuation rocks :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Patrick
Tye<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 7 April 2009 10:26 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] NBN by the Government - Do we
care?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>15 With the current economic climate it will mean
jobs for a lot of people, especially people who have experience building
networks...:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hear government jobs have good
perks...:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>---------------------------------------------------<BR>Patrick
Tye<BR>Senior IP Engineer<BR>Primus Telecommunications Aust.<BR>Email: <A
href="mailto:ptye@primustel.com.au">ptye@primustel.com.au</A><BR>-----------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=skeeve@eintellego.net href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">Skeeve
Stevens</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ausnog@ausnog.net
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] NBN by the
Government - Do we care?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In
response to 14.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
think that we will need to look at our own staff... they are going to want a
lot of people and they will put out some pretty tempting offers I am
sure.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Skeeve
Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">eintellego
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">NOC,
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Sean
K. Finn [mailto:Sean.Finn@ozservers.com.au] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 7 April
2009 10:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Skeeve Stevens;
'ausnog@ausnog.net'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: NBN by the Government - Do we
care?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">13.
Who is going to peer with them? Its great having a super fast peer-to-peer
network, But I’m pretty sure Telstra won’t be impressed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">14.
Where are they going to get outstanding staff that really know their
stuff?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Skeeve Stevens<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 7 April 2009 10:18
AM<BR><B>To:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [AusNOG] NBN by the
Government - Do we care?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">OK
all,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
realise this morning is going to be a huge debate about what the government
has announced, but... in my opinion - Why is it bad?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<OL type=1>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
legislative/legal issues for a Federal government company will be far less
than any private company<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The government
would unlikely ever do retail (Rudd states that now)<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It would be
safe to assume that everyone would have fair and equal access – it would be
hard for them not to do it<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They are
unlikely to wholesale it themselves, but will most likely assign a few
agents who buy large access to the NBN and resell it downstream (my opinion
only)<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Pricing should
be better than any private company doing it<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They are
unlikely to have major financial issues that the government can’t bail them
out of by raising our taxes ;-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They say they
will maintain a controlling interest – we can only assume that will stay
around for a while<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’d like to see
Telstra try to refuse the government access to exchanges – high court here
we come!<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Honestly, it
makes me feel more comfortable having the government in
charge<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">It is going to
create a massive amount of IT jobs – a bunch of us here will probably end up
working there<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">They won’t lay
the fibre themselves – I see a LOT of work for those that do – it probably
won’t go to one company – this could make Pipe, Nextgen and others very
happy as they spread the work around<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Anyone want to
add more?<o:p></o:p></SPAN> </LI></OL>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Skeeve
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