<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Taking it one step further, are all content owners in a position where, for concern as to whether they may be infringing, might be advised by their legal counsel to take down their site until they can obtain some kind of approval to place their content online without infringement, and thereafter, to have all change requests to that online content be approved by the government?<br><br>Madness. Filtering - A potentially good opt-in idea for those that wanted a managed service - that has been implemented by a bureacracy that has effectively placed a whole lot of speed and red light cameras up without any signs or traffic lights.<br><br>If all the content goes offshore then they will probably come up with some lame idea involving tendering for international networks to get content to "98% of
Australians".<br><br>rob<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Grahame Lynch <grahamelynch@commsdaymail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Skeeve Stevens <skeeve@eintellego.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "ausnog@ausnog.net" <ausnog@ausnog.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 8:15:20 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] Hyperlink fines from ACMA<br></font><br><div>Skeeve I usually lurk here but as a publisher who is conscious of my legal liabilities my first thought is this - an Australian web hoster will have to think long and hard about hosting any form of relatively
lightly moderated message board.</div>
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<div>I know Whirlpool is modded but by volunteers without full legal training.<br></div>
<div>It will basically create the equivalent of 1970s UK pirate radio stations on oil rigs off the coast - no website with any potential for liability would want to be caught dead in ACMA's regulatory domicile. As far as I am aware ACMA only has authority over content hosted in Australia (including those publishing hyperlinks to prohibited content). So the incentive is to leave the domicile basically.</div>
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<div>Given the list of prohibited links is supposed to be secret how does a web moderator really know if a poster has posted an offending link until they are already in breach? Catch 22.</div>
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<div>I currently run websites out of Australia but all this is a potential nightmare, especially given one of my core topics of competence in my content is critiquing the censors.. I intend to move as much of my activity and potential liability offshore as is practicable.</div>
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<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/banned-hyperlinks-could-cost-you-11000-a-day/2009/03/17/1237054787635.html"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><u>http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/banned-hyperlinks-could-cost-you-11000-a-day/2009/03/17/1237054787635.html</u></font></a></div>
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<div><font color="#002060" face="Calibri, sans-serif">Most people would have read about the above link.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#002060" face="Calibri, sans-serif">I think it is stupid, and I’d like to know where they get off stopping people seeing something about anti-abortion, but... that aside.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#002060" face="Calibri, sans-serif">My question is... the ACMA.... who do they have authority over?</font></div>
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<li>Websites hosted in Australia</li>
<li>Websites hosted under .au domains</li>
<li>Australian citizens</li>
<li>Anyone they goddamn please</li></font></ul>
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<div><font color="#002060" face="Calibri, sans-serif">Do they have any authority of a .au website hosted in the US? Or if it’s run by an Aussie, does it not matter?</font></div>
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<div><font color="#002060" face="Calibri, sans-serif">Shouldn’t they be going after the website owner (Whirlpool) as opposed to the host? (Bulletproof)</font></div>
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<div><font color="#002060" face="Calibri, sans-serif">This is concerning and I have people asking questions, and I would like to inform them appropriately.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#002060" face="Calibri, sans-serif">This is my first thought about this, and I haven’t googled, searched their website or anything, because I am interested in the opinions of others here as well.</font></div>
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