<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 19/03/2009, at 3:21 PM, Duncan Maitland wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">If I understand it correctly then the government plan is to block only a subset of the ACMA list.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>As far as I'm aware, the Government has never made any such</div><div>claim. There have been times when they've <i>incorrectly</i> asserted</div><div>that they want to block illegal content, but those moments come in</div><div>the same interviews, articles and papers which show that they </div><div>lack an understanding of the difference between "illegal" and</div><div>ACMAs "prohibited content" list.</div><div><br></div><div>The "Labor's Plan for Cyber Safety" document, Conroy's remarks</div><div>to the press on Dec 29 2007, Conroy's Jul 28 2008 press release,</div><div>Tim Marshall's comments to Computerworld on Oct 13 2008,</div><div>Conroy in the Senate on Oct 20 2008, Conroy on ABC Radio National</div><div>"Media Report" on Oct 30 2008, Conroy in Question Time on Nov 10 2008, </div><div>the DBCDE "live trials" Technical Testing Framework, Conroy's</div><div>"Superblogger" article, and Conroy's appearance in Senate Estimates</div><div>on Feb 23 2009 <b>all</b> make it clear that the target of the mandatory</div><div>first-tier blacklist is <b>not</b> "illegal" material, but is actually the ACMA</div><div>prohibited content list.</div><div><br></div><div>Cites for the above:</div><div><a href="http://www.alp.org.au/download/labors_plan_for_cyber_safety.pdf">http://www.alp.org.au/download/labors_plan_for_cyber_safety.pdf</a></div><div><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/31/2129471.htm</a></div><div><a href="http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2008/060">http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2008/060</a></div><div><a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/263637/no_opt-_filtered_internet">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/263637/no_opt-_filtered_internet</a></div><div><a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S11346.pdf">http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/S11346.pdf</a></div><div><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/mediareport/stories/2008/2405376.htm">http://www.abc.net.au/rn/mediareport/stories/2008/2405376.htm</a></div><div><a href="http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/tv/senator-ludlam-questions-minister-conroy-internet-censorship">http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/tv/senator-ludlam-questions-minister-conroy-internet-censorship</a></div><div><a href="http://www.dbcde.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/89160/technical-testing-framework.pdf">http://www.dbcde.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/89160/technical-testing-framework.pdf</a></div><div><a href="http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,25068568-5013046,00.html">http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,25068568-5013046,00.html</a></div><div><a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s11635.pdf">http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/senate/commttee/s11635.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>It has been said that they've been in the process of changing </div><div>their mind to only block a subset of the ACMA blacklist; But it</div><div>hasn't been said by the ALP themselves, only by surrogates and</div><div>proxies.</div><div><br></div><div>For what it's worth, if one works on the expectation that the blacklist</div><div>is always going to be leaked regardless of what's on it, then I'd</div><div>suggest that tightening the definitions to only include child porn</div><div>would be a thoroughly foolish move -- It'd turn the current farce into</div><div>a bona-fide, accurate, up-to-date directory of child abuse imagery.</div><div><br></div><div> - mark</div><div> [ speaking on his own behalf ]</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; 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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">--</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Mark Newton Email: <a href="mailto:newton@internode.com.au">newton@internode.com.au</a> (W)</span></font></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Network Engineer Email: <a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a> (H)</span></font></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Andale Mono'"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; 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