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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>According to Whirlpool posts the content assessment
team is made up of 400 matronly figures with scowls who dedicate their lives to
ruining all your fun (the other 120 or so are HR and Finance people). Last
I saw it's around 8 or so people in their 20s and 30s who are really quite
friendly - I've never once seen any of them breathe fire.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The Content Assessment team operate under the
Broadcasting Services Act (<A
href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/0/901123C9D49C409BCA25755C0014FCC7/$file/BroadServ1992Vol1_WD02.pdf">http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/ActCompilation1.nsf/0/901123C9D49C409BCA25755C0014FCC7/$file/BroadServ1992Vol1_WD02.pdf</A>).
To give you a VERY brief primer the government writes (or revises) an Act, the
Senate reviews it, then it gives power to the people in charge of ACMA to
enforce it (the "Authority" in the acronym). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The Authority then delegate down the power to the Content
Assessment Team to carry through with a very difficult job I wouldn't consider
doing myself (there are things you can't un-see, these people must see them
every day). From the January figures (which I happened to have on my desk) they
actioned 7 complaints on R Sexual content (without access restrictions), 1
bit of refused classification violence, 3 instructions on paedophilia, 45
instances of pictures of it, 2 bestiality based sites and 3 "sexual fetish"
complaints (what I can only assume is hard bondage/simulated rape? not
sure).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Anyway, these folks assess complaints on the basis of
what's in the Act and in their best judgement carry through with the powers as
detailed in the Act. More information can be found at </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_90102">http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_90102</A> .
Anyone who is interested in educating themselves about all this stuff I'd
encourage to look up the "Explanatory Memoranda" of any bills that alter the
Act. Besides the actual text of the Act they give a bit of a crib sheet for what
the intention is behind the changes. I had a really good example but I
unfortunately can't find it now - it was about the changes to the prohibited
content list to include terrorism stuff if I recall
correctly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>None of this is my area of expertise (I spend my days
fighting botnets and spammers) so take it as a rough guide. My training in
political science is predominately from Year 10 Social Sciences and I am a lot
more at home in a debugger than a piece of legislation :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>As you can probably tell this is my own private
opinion and does not necessarily represent the views of ACMA etc
etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=612325521-17032009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Kayne</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jay
Mitchell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 17 March 2009 8:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Skeeve
Stevens'<BR><B>Cc:</B> ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG]
Hyperlink fines from ACMA<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">These
are really good questions Skeeve.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
wouldn't be at all surprised if they'd have a go at a .com.au located offshore,
with a link to a site on their super secret blacklist. Presuming that they
wouldn't would be assuming that they have technical clue.. (if in fact their
stipulation is that the site is physically located in .au)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Grahame's
statement re: catch22 is an excellent point. I presume they send a cease and
desist prior to the fines starting? Better make sure your whois data is
up-to-date!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So
what happens if your site located in .au contains a link to a site offshore
which contains a link to one of the sites on their blacklist? Are you still in
breach? This scenario isn't outside the realm of possibility
(IMHO).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">--Jay<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Skeeve Stevens<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 17 March 2009 8:29
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Grahame Lynch<BR><B>Cc:</B>
ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Hyperlink fines from
ACMA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Excellent
Grahame!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Now
let’s try for further clarification!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Do
you think this relates to data hosted by an Australian ‘company/individual/etc’
or actually onshore in the Commonwealth of Australia.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Could
Bulletproof move the Whirlpool website to a US physical server* (see below), and
tell the ACMA where to go?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*
Is there a difference between having your own ‘owned’ servers in the US, or if
you resell another US hosting farm?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
really hope this is as simple as ‘move it offshore’ or ‘I will move it to one of
my US (or wherever for FTA issues) servers, and then tell the ACMA where to
go’.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Also...
If someone reports a complaint to the ACMA... I assume they are doing so because
they ‘think’ it is hosted in Australia. This would probably be guessed by
the .au domain name we can assume.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Are
.au domain named hosted on US servers safe? Or does the ACMA think they have a
say? Is the first thing the ACMA does is a traceroute (which could be
misleading), and if it is outside out borders... they respond to the complainant
‘Sorry, can’t help you’.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
am not advocating any particular method to avoiding the ACMA’s powers... I
believe there is much badness on the internet which should be blocked (not
supporting national filters though) but I just want to understand EXACTLY the
extent of their authority and powers so I can advise people appropriately until
they change.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">--<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Skeeve
Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">eintellego
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">skeeve@eintellego.net
/ www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Phone:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Cell
+61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">NOC,
NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Grahame
Lynch [mailto:grahamelynch@commsdaymail.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 17 March
2009 8:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Skeeve Stevens<BR><B>Cc:</B>
ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Hyperlink fines from
ACMA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Skeeve I usually lurk here but as a publisher who is
conscious of my legal liabilities my first thought is this - an Australian web
hoster will have to think long and hard about hosting any form of relatively
lightly moderated message board.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I know Whirlpool is modded but by volunteers without full
legal training.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>It will basically create the equivalent of 1970s UK pirate
radio stations on oil rigs off the coast - no website with any potential for
liability would want to be caught dead in ACMA's regulatory domicile. As far as
I am aware ACMA only has authority over content hosted in Australia (including
those publishing hyperlinks to prohibited content). So the incentive is to leave
the domicile basically.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Given the list of prohibited links is supposed to be secret
how does a web moderator really know if a poster has posted an offending link
until they are already in breach? Catch 22.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I currently run websites out of Australia but all this is a
potential nightmare, especially given one of my core topics of competence in my
content is critiquing the censors.. I intend to move as much of my activity and
potential liability offshore as is practicable.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>2009/3/17 Skeeve Stevens <<A
href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</A>><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/banned-hyperlinks-could-cost-you-11000-a-day/2009/03/17/1237054787635.html"
target=_blank>http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/banned-hyperlinks-could-cost-you-11000-a-day/2009/03/17/1237054787635.html</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Most
people would have read about the above link.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
think it is stupid, and I’d like to know where they get off stopping people
seeing something about anti-abortion, but... that aside.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">My
question is... the ACMA.... who do they have authority over?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Options:</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<UL type=disc>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Websites hosted
in Australia<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Websites hosted
under .au domains<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Australian
citizens<o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: #002060; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo3"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Anyone they
goddamn please<o:p></o:p></SPAN> </LI></UL>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Do
they have any authority of a .au website hosted in the US? Or if it’s run
by an Aussie, does it not matter?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Shouldn’t
they be going after the website owner (Whirlpool) as opposed to the host?
(Bulletproof)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This
is concerning and I have people asking questions, and I would like to inform
them appropriately.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This
is my first thought about this, and I haven’t googled, searched their website or
anything, because I am interested in the opinions of others here as
well.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">...Skeeve</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">--</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Skeeve
Stevens, CEO/Technical Director</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">eintellego
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Phone:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Cell
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">--</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">NOC,
NOC, who's there?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #002060; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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