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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Excellent Grahame!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now let’s try for further clarification!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Do you think this relates to data hosted by an Australian ‘company/individual/etc’
or actually onshore in the Commonwealth of Australia.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Could Bulletproof move the Whirlpool website to a US physical
server* (see below), and tell the ACMA where to go?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>* Is there a difference between having your own ‘owned’
servers in the US, or if you resell another US hosting farm?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I really hope this is as simple as ‘move it offshore’
or ‘I will move it to one of my US (or wherever for FTA issues) servers,
and then tell the ACMA where to go’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also... If someone reports a complaint to the ACMA... I assume
they are doing so because they ‘think’ it is hosted in
Australia. This would probably be guessed by the .au domain name we can
assume.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Are .au domain named hosted on US servers safe? Or does the ACMA
think they have a say? Is the first thing the ACMA does is a traceroute
(which could be misleading), and if it is outside out borders... they respond to
the complainant ‘Sorry, can’t help you’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am not advocating any particular method to avoiding the ACMA’s
powers... I believe there is much badness on the internet which should be
blocked (not supporting national filters though) but I just want to understand
EXACTLY the extent of their authority and powers so I can advise people appropriately
until they change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>NOC, NOC, who's there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Grahame Lynch
[mailto:grahamelynch@commsdaymail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 March 2009 8:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Hyperlink fines from ACMA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Skeeve I usually lurk here but as a publisher who is
conscious of my legal liabilities my first thought is this - an Australian web
hoster will have to think long and hard about hosting any form of relatively
lightly moderated message board.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I know Whirlpool is modded but by volunteers without full
legal training.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>It will basically create the equivalent of 1970s UK pirate
radio stations on oil rigs off the coast - no website with any potential for
liability would want to be caught dead in ACMA's regulatory domicile. As far as
I am aware ACMA only has authority over content hosted in Australia (including
those publishing hyperlinks to prohibited content). So the incentive is to
leave the domicile basically.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Given the list of prohibited links is supposed to be secret
how does a web moderator really know if a poster has posted an offending link
until they are already in breach? Catch 22.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I currently run websites out of Australia but all this is a
potential nightmare, especially given one of my core topics of competence in my
content is critiquing the censors.. I intend to move as much of my activity and
potential liability offshore as is practicable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2009/3/17 Skeeve Stevens <<a
href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/banned-hyperlinks-could-cost-you-11000-a-day/2009/03/17/1237054787635.html"
target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/banned-hyperlinks-could-cost-you-11000-a-day/2009/03/17/1237054787635.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Most people would have read about the above link.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>I think it is stupid, and I’d like to know where they get
off stopping people seeing something about anti-abortion, but... that aside.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>My question is... the ACMA.... who do they have authority over?</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Options:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Websites hosted in Australia<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:#002060;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Websites hosted under .au domains<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:#002060;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Australian citizens<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:#002060;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Anyone they goddamn please<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Do they have any authority of a .au website hosted in the
US? Or if it’s run by an Aussie, does it not matter?</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Shouldn’t they be going after the website owner
(Whirlpool) as opposed to the host? (Bulletproof)</span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>This is concerning and I have people asking questions, and I
would like to inform them appropriately.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>This is my first thought about this, and I haven’t
googled, searched their website or anything, because I am interested in the
opinions of others here as well.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>...Skeeve</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#002060'>--</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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