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Not sure about your argument.<br>
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The main problem is that at the moment that the standards that deliver
v6 broadband in a general sense are still all draft and, at the moment,
don't quite work together. (Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but ONLY
if you can actually send me a complete set of receipes to do it as at
least one Broadband Forum member has told me it can't be done yet).
The main sticking point is prefix delegation and how that works in an
end-user's network.<br>
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Once this is fixed and people stop having pissing matches about who
wins (AutoConf, DHCPv6 etc) we'll be sweet and the CPE vendors can
finish their work.<br>
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(Yes, you can do this in the simple case with static ranges etc, but
that doesn't scale and doesn't work for normal people like my parents).<br>
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MMC<br>
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<pre wrap="">Seems to me the problem is cash. ISPs won't eat it. Probably need it
subsidised by the government. Some transit providers still aren't ipv6
compatible, there's customer equiptment that needs to be replaced and
there's no authority setting a deadline like the digital tv system.
Plus, it's hard to explain the benefits to an end user who will most
likely see the issues now rather than a solution to an issue from the
future.
Would be a better use of money than that stupid filter though.
On 17/03/2009, at 16:57, Mark Smith <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marksmith@adam.com.au"><marksmith@adam.com.au></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Geoff Huston wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I specifically remember a slip connection to Hawaii growing from
1200
bps to 2400 bps preceeding the 56Kb frame relay connection.
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<pre wrap="">Yawn. That was years ago. On to today's problems. What are we going
to
do given that noone is doing anything remotely serious in IPv6 and
the
crunch time of IPv4 address exhaustion is getting ever closer? If we
can't manage to preserve some level of protocol coherence across the
network in the coming few years then we may end up not much better
off
than the situation on 20 years ago. Or do we say goodbye to all this
end-to-end IP stuff and just run client sever over http and forget
than anything else was ever possible?
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<pre wrap="">I don't think Internet end-users are aware of the problem, let a alone
what it is, why its occurring, and what the consequences will be. They
haven't been told what it is, and they don't know to ask for it.
That seems to me to be a marketing problem. We need to get the message
to the Internet end-user market that the Internet is heading towards a
wall, and needs to be upgraded. We need to explain in very simple
terms,
what the problem is - "The Internet is running out of phone numbers!"
(and then explain that public Internet addresses are like phone
numbers)
- I think should be a simple enough place to start.
Who should run this campaign? ISOC or the IPv6 Forum (or both) I
reckon.
Regards,
Mark.
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