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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also, you probably mean extra FE (0/2)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>interface GigabitEthernet0/1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>interface GigabitEthernet0/1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Which you will note is inserted between the 1<sup>st</sup> and 2<sup>nd</sup>
GigE for some drug induced reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew
Moyle-Croft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 March 2009 3:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] back of envelope sizing calculations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For "much faster VPN" read "much faster
CPU".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Trying to think about too many things at once.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>MMC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 05/03/2009, at 2:50 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Skeeve's recommendation is a good one:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>7206VXR-NPE-G1s are the swiss army knife - well debugged,
well understood, easy to obtain parts new and after market and will be
supported for a long time to come and easily handle full BGP tables.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Even though they're no longer something we use in our core
they are now excellent PE routers for terminating customer sessions or smaller
LNSes etc. We've got a frightening number still humming away and unlikely
to be replaced. Because of this Cisco are unlikely to EOL them for a LONG
time to come (think of the ROI of that platform for them).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>(We've got many dozens - I wouldn't want to try and count -
it'd take too long).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The news G2s are nice as they have an extra GE port and much
faster VPN BUT remember they need SFPs (SFP slots only for 2 of the ports).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>MMC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 05/03/2009, at 2:15 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>7200-G1 - 512mb mtp (max throughput)<br>
7200-G2 - 1024mb mtp<br>
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They have 3 * GE<br>
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2851 with an extra GE would be pushing it with 112mb mtp<br>
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3825 - need two extra gig ports - 179 mtp<br>
3845 - need two extra gig ports - 256 mtp<br>
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A G1 which can either be in 7200 form or 7301 form.<br>
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A G2 can be in 7204/6 form or 7201 form.<br>
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HWIC-GE cards are more expensive that PA-GE's.<br>
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My recommendation is a 7204VXR-NPE-G1 for cost, expandability (can go to 4 GE -
maybe 5 if the bandwidth points aren't counted from slot 0 NPE), or a G2 if you
can afford it.<br>
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...Skeeve<br>
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--<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
[<a href="mailto:ausnog-">mailto:ausnog-</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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On Behalf Of Michael Bethune<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 1:17 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Subject: [AusNOG] back of envelope sizing calculations<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Just doing some back of the envelope calculations and I was
wondering<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>if<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>anyone had some ball park ideas?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>What kind of non-end of life Cisco router model could<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>handle domestic and international BGP tables + 3 GigE
interfaces<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>peaking at 100Mb/s or so (where the back traffic is a third
of that).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Michael.<o:p></o:p></p>
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