<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">For "much faster VPN" read "much faster CPU".<div><br></div><div>Trying to think about too many things at once.</div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br><div><div>On 05/03/2009, at 2:50 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Skeeve's recommendation is a good one:<div><br></div><div>7206VXR-NPE-G1s are the swiss army knife - well debugged, well understood, easy to obtain parts new and after market and will be supported for a long time to come and easily handle full BGP tables.</div><div><br></div><div>Even though they're no longer something we use in our core they are now excellent PE routers for terminating customer sessions or smaller LNSes etc. We've got a frightening number still humming away and unlikely to be replaced. Because of this Cisco are unlikely to EOL them for a LONG time to come (think of the ROI of that platform for them).</div><div><br></div><div>(We've got many dozens - I wouldn't want to try and count - it'd take too long).</div><div><br></div><div>The news G2s are nice as they have an extra GE port and much faster VPN BUT remember they need SFPs (SFP slots only for 2 of the ports).</div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 05/03/2009, at 2:15 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>7200-G1 - 512mb mtp (max throughput)<br>7200-G2 - 1024mb mtp<br><br>They have 3 * GE<br><br>2851 with an extra GE would be pushing it with 112mb mtp<br><br>3825 - need two extra gig ports - 179 mtp<br>3845 - need two extra gig ports - 256 mtp<br><br>A G1 which can either be in 7200 form or 7301 form.<br><br>A G2 can be in 7204/6 form or 7201 form.<br><br>HWIC-GE cards are more expensive that PA-GE's.<br><br>My recommendation is a 7204VXR-NPE-G1 for cost, expandability (can go to 4 GE - maybe 5 if the bandwidth points aren't counted from slot 0 NPE), or a G2 if you can afford it.<br><br><br>...Skeeve<br><br>--<br>Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director<br>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<br><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</a> / <a href="http://www.eintellego.net">www.eintellego.net</a><br>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<br>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / <a href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a><br>--<br>NOC, NOC, who's there?<br><br>Disclaimer: Limits of Liability and Disclaimer: This message is for the named person's use only. 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Whilst all efforts are made to safeguard inbound and outbound e-mails, we cannot guarantee that attachments are virus-free or compatible with your systems and do not accept any liability in respect of viruses or computer problems experienced.<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [<a href="mailto:ausnog-">mailto:ausnog-</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Michael Bethune<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2009 1:17 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: [AusNOG] back of envelope sizing calculations<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Hiya,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Just doing some back of the envelope calculations and I was wondering<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">if<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">anyone had some ball park ideas?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What kind of non-end of life Cisco router model could<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> handle domestic and international BGP tables + 3 GigE interfaces<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">peaking at 100Mb/s or so (where the back traffic is a third of that).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Michael.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">AusNOG mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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