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Bevan Slattery wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Far from it,
the problem is not
trivial. But the technical problem (if it’s http blacklist) of
implementing a http blacklist is not such a stretch. <br>
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Well, colour me confused - you keep chucking in how easy it is
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> I’m just
saying that in the scheme of things there are good outcomes and bad
outcomes. If you think that should the decision for Conroy comes down
to Labor
implementing an election promise versus Internode buying 25 caches,
then mate
you’re screwed. And if you think there is an industry/vendor ‘expert’
who will not back Conroy in saying that a HTTP blacklist is not
technically
do-able, then you are living in a fantasy land completely abstract of
the political
position we are all in. There are filters protecting all of Qld, NSW,
VIC, TAS (and I think SA’s) public schools. It’s in place
right now. There are up to 2,000,000 students getting filtered
Internet
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And let's ask them how badly it sucks at the moment - most schools have
very very poor internet access as a result.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">The real
problem here is that the filter
will achieve very little. It will result in some latency and
performance
issues and it will cost money. However, the reality is It will not
provide absolute (or even near absolute) protection for <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>’s
children and frankly if ACMA/DCITA are providing the list, it will not
even
provide the barest of minimums. It will provide ABSOLUTELY NO ADDED
BENEFIT BEYOND THE CLIENT SOFTWARE AND PARENTAL SUPERVISION THAT IS IN
PLACE
TODAY.</span></font></p>
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No kidding I don't think we have any disagreement there.<br>
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size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">So, I'm not quite sure who
you're trying to impress
other than Conroy (almost said Coonan).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Simply
because I have an alternative view of this
to yourself? Oh please When you grow some stones and actually get
active in the industry and take the battle to the Minister, media and
public
themselves to the point the Minister calls you a ‘little shit’ to
your face then I’m happy for you to step up to my plate and have a
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Your alternative view seems to be to dismiss the technical side as
"trivial" despite what you said above. It might be trivial for the
small, but as you scale up it actually really messes with our ability
to built a resilient network.<br>
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You are good at throwing stones sure, but sometimes without considering
who's glass houses you're hurting. We're your customers - $1M or more
spent on this crap (because you dismiss it as trivial) means that many
less exchanges built and less backhaul we buy from you. Some of us
have to live with cleaning up after the stone throwers and quite
frankly would prefer greater accuracy in the throwing or choosing more
useful targets.<br>
<br>
Getting the minister to call you a "little shit" doesn't impress me.
Getting the minister to change his/her mind on an important topic would.<br>
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anyone. Didn’t you know - I’m Denny Crane [queue the music]</span></font></p>
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You have mad cow too ? :-)<br>
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MMC<br>
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