<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>I can't even begin to describe the world of pain this has caused us.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It's easier to get the customers out of the data centre and into somewhere that wants them.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I've even managed to find better commercial deals for primary rates and that's the business AAPT wants.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I hope AAPT ends up with nice cool empty rooms.</DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>jsl</DIV><DIV>--</DIV><DIV>John Lindsay -<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Carrier Relations Manager - Internode and Agile</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 23/09/2006, at 2:12 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR> <BR><P><FONT size="2" face="Comic Sans MS">Hey all,</FONT> </P><P> <FONT size="2" face="Comic Sans MS">I presume this is not news to those who use Pipe services in an AAPT datacentre, so I want to put the question out there….</FONT></P><P> <FONT size="2" face="Comic Sans MS">What are people going to do about it? I mean, other fibre carriers to get to Pipe? Move to another DC? Etc etc</FONT> </P><P> <FONT size="2" face="Comic Sans MS">I am involved with half a dozen ISPs located in AAPT who use Pipe for a variety of services, and I am wondering what to advise them.</FONT></P><P> <FONT size="2" face="Comic Sans MS">…Skeeve</FONT> </P> <BR><P><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">_______________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">Skeeve Stevens, RHCE Email: <A href="mailto:skeeve@skeeve.org">skeeve@skeeve.org</A></FONT> <BR><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">Website: </FONT><A href="file://www.skeeve.org"><U><FONT color="#0000FF" size="2" face="Courier New">www.skeeve.org</FONT></U></A><FONT size="2" face="Courier New"> - Telephone: (0414) 753 383</FONT> <BR><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">Address: P.O Box 1035, Epping, NSW, 1710, Australia</FONT> </P><P><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">eIntellego - <A href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</A> - </FONT><A href="file://www.eintellego.net"><U><FONT color="#0000FF" size="2" face="Courier New">www.eintellego.net</FONT></U></A> <BR><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">_______________________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">I'm a groove licked love child king of the verse</FONT> <BR><FONT size="2" face="Courier New">Si vis pacem, para bellum</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">AusNOG mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:AusNOG@ausnog.net">AusNOG@ausnog.net</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://www.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>