From vk6ksj at westnet.com.au  Sat Jan  1 03:10:14 2022
From: vk6ksj at westnet.com.au (Kai)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 00:10:14 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Happy New Year 2022
Message-ID: <40f2bbb0-c269-b074-0bc2-5b7bca5d298f@westnet.com.au>

 From the Far North of Western Australia we wish you all the very best 
for the new year.

 From our family to yours may we all stay safe, help each other through 
the challenges ahead and be sure to have a good laugh at random 
intervals, why? because we can't always be serious, all the time!

From mark at innaloo.net  Sat Jan  1 18:20:25 2022
From: mark at innaloo.net (Mark Dignam)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 15:20:25 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] On Prem Exchange issues - y2k22 bug.
Message-ID: <000b01d7fee0$0bb61250$232236f0$@innaloo.net>

People.

 

There appears to a y2k22 bug in Exchange servers - and its fairly nasty. As
of midnight UTC, the Filtering Service stopped passing emails, email goes in
- and never gets delivered to the mailbox.  Easiest thing to look for in the
event logs:

The FIP-FS Filtering Management Service was unable to acquire a scanner
within the specified timeout.

or

The FIP-FS "Microsoft" Scan Engine failed to load. PID: 12348, Error Code:
0x80004005. Error Description: Can't convert "2201010001" to long.

 

Office365 appears NOT affected at this stage. (as expected, with MS's
current "move to our cloud" strategy)

https://twitter.com/JRoosen/status/1477120097747677184

 

Quick fix for a 2016 system, open a Exchange Management Power Shell screen. 

 

cd $exscripts

.\Disable-AntimalwareScanning.ps1

Restart-Service MSExchangeTRansport

 

And anything waiting in the submission will get delivered in the next few
mins.

 

 

 

 

 

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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 18:52:32 2022
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:52:32 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] On Prem Exchange issues - y2k22 bug.
In-Reply-To: <000b01d7fee0$0bb61250$232236f0$@innaloo.net>
References: <000b01d7fee0$0bb61250$232236f0$@innaloo.net>
Message-ID: <CAMpV8MqCN+Bbzm6T=E7Mqoeh+i7HyX8BW28LpV0Lji4FMxhFFA@mail.gmail.com>

Probably related Reddit thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/rt91z6/exchange_2019_antimalware_bad_update

Appears to be related to the long signed integer value for version numbers
allowing values only up to 2,147,483,647 - so when version numbers for the
malware/inline virus scanner were in 2021 - the first two numbers were "21"
and it worked.

Now it's 2022 - the first two numbers are "22", and it b0rks the update

It's almost comical that a company as big as Microsoft - especially after
the hype around Y2K bugs all those years ago - has missed this so blatantly
- but I suppose the company that we should be used to that by now.



DaZZa

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022, 6:20 pm Mark Dignam, <mark at innaloo.net> wrote:

> People.
>
>
>
> There appears to a y2k22 bug in Exchange servers - and its fairly nasty.
> As of midnight UTC, the Filtering Service stopped passing emails, email
> goes in - and never gets delivered to the mailbox.  Easiest thing to look
> for in the event logs:
>
> *The FIP-FS Filtering Management Service was unable to acquire a scanner
> within the specified timeout.*
>
> or
>
> *The FIP-FS "Microsoft" Scan Engine failed to load. PID: 12348, Error
> Code: 0x80004005. Error Description: Can't convert "2201010001" to long.*
>
>
>
> Office365 appears NOT affected at this stage. (as expected, with MS's
> current "move to our cloud" strategy)
>
> https://twitter.com/JRoosen/status/1477120097747677184
>
>
>
> Quick fix for a 2016 system, open a Exchange Management Power Shell
> screen?
>
>
>
> cd $exscripts
>
> .\Disable-AntimalwareScanning.ps1
>
> Restart-Service MSExchangeTRansport
>
>
>
> And anything waiting in the submission will get delivered in the next few
> mins.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From simon275 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  2 18:01:23 2022
From: simon275 at gmail.com (Simon Pearce)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:01:23 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra NBN Outage NSW
Message-ID: <CAO6OBbH5xhh59e+v4pB-hLGeuEtS=qZE0BDYu5PduVhdEdaFfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Apologies for the noise. We saw multiple Telstra backed NBN services go
offline in NSW and ACT around an hour ago. The Call centres seem backed up
with long wait times.

Cheers
Simon

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From chris.chaundy at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 09:26:00 2022
From: chris.chaundy at gmail.com (Chris Chaundy)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 09:26:00 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
Message-ID: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone

From ausnog at studio442.com.au  Mon Jan  3 18:13:04 2022
From: ausnog at studio442.com.au (Julien Goodwin)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:13:04 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
In-Reply-To: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>
References: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c36d807a-5e82-455d-d664-d97d14cb1b56@studio442.com.au>

On 3/1/22 9:26 am, Chris Chaundy wrote:
> It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

For *my* FTTC I've had occasional cases where an NTD reboot was needed 
(~1/year), however much more frequent appears to be cases where one of 
my neighbours bounce their NTD (for whatever reason) the micro-DSLAM 
seems to reboot for a multi-minute outage.

I'm seriously right about at the point where I might put in an order to 
get someone else to dig fibre in[1] since there's enough evidence that 
NBN simply choose not to care about multiple multi-minute outages a day 
so I've not even bothered trying to call a fault on it.

1: Hi sales people, no I'm not interested in talking to you, I know who 
has fibre near me, I'll reach out to contacts I already have if I end up 
deciding to try.

From andy at andyblu.me  Mon Jan  3 19:13:42 2022
From: andy at andyblu.me (Andy Blume)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:13:42 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
In-Reply-To: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>
References: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FA9015A-CB3C-40F0-AF59-0F5637B3FF94@andyblu.me>


On 3 Jan 2022, at 09:26, Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com<mailto:chris.chaundy at gmail.com>> wrote:

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider

Happened twice here; first in July and second just two weeks ago. Both involved a call to Aussie Broadband to organise an NBN tech to come out. Thankfully in both cases someone was able to come out very quickly, however I am concerned that every time there's a power outage or interruption this is going to be the standard procedure.


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From glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au  Mon Jan  3 19:54:58 2022
From: glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au (Greg Lipschitz)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:54:58 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
In-Reply-To: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>
References: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MEYP282MB259749BEC4880E7DC9F3993C82499@MEYP282MB2597.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Chris,

The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house). nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.

The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU reset via the nbn API.

So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband, TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as part of the troubleshooting.

We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up or replaced.

I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the years).

If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design docs - https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf

Cheers
Greg



________________________________

Greg Lipschitz | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet
glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au
summitinternet.com.au
1300 049 749
Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131
Summit Internet
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
Sent: 03 January 2022 09:26
To: ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone
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From chris.chaundy at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 20:55:38 2022
From: chris.chaundy at gmail.com (Chris Chaundy)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 20:55:38 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
In-Reply-To: <MEYP282MB259749BEC4880E7DC9F3993C82499@MEYP282MB2597.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <DA321E92-48CA-424E-9471-A50E1AC412A0@gmail.com>
 <MEYP282MB259749BEC4880E7DC9F3993C82499@MEYP282MB2597.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CABOrm94wBAso8g7h4cvPNH5KS8yuZjF8YLW6vc6hcUzeARnc=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up where
I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a dirt
road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on power
poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the
network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground
further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next
'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link
you sent :-).

These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your
comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and
may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me
tomorrow!

Cheers, Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
wrote:

?
Hi Chris,

The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is reverse
powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house). nbn use
a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only needs 1
customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.

The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any
of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU
reset via the nbn API.

So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband,
TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to
drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as
part of the troubleshooting.

We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL
copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la
land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper
between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up
or replaced.

I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds
like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption
(we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the
years).

If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design
docs -
https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf

Cheers
Greg




Greg Lipschitz  |  Founder & CEO  |  Summit Internet
*glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
*summitinternet.com.au* <http://summitinternet.com.au>
*1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749>
*Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131*
<https://www.google.com/maps?cid=12522583051503623677&_ga=2.149009334.1057584350.1554770858-1081443428.1554770858>
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*From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris Chaundy
<chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
*Sent:* 03 January 2022 09:26
*To:* ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
*Subject:* [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with
Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back
until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then
wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I
have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power
backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other
FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone
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From chris.chaundy at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 21:12:53 2022
From: chris.chaundy at gmail.com (Chris Chaundy)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:12:53 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
In-Reply-To: <CABOrm94wBAso8g7h4cvPNH5KS8yuZjF8YLW6vc6hcUzeARnc=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABOrm94wBAso8g7h4cvPNH5KS8yuZjF8YLW6vc6hcUzeARnc=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41A09A58-F405-4812-BF67-5C4A4A6FDB0C@gmail.com>

BTW, I?m getting a red flashing link light on the NCD but if I unplug it from the wall, the link light changes to blue (still flashing) so it seems to be talking to the DPU, but maybe getting some fault indication?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2022, at 20:55, Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Greg,
> 
> Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up where I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a dirt road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on power poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next 'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link you sent :-).
> 
> These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me tomorrow!
> 
> Cheers, Chris
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house). nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.
>> 
>> The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU reset via the nbn API.
>> 
>> So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband, TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as part of the troubleshooting.
>> 
>> We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up or replaced.
>> 
>> I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the years).
>> 
>> If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design docs - https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greg Lipschitz	 | 	Founder & CEO	 | 	Summit Internet
>> glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au
>> summitinternet.com.au
>> 1300 049 749
>> Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131
>> 
>> 
>> 	
>> 
>> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 03 January 2022 09:26
>> To: ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
>>  
>> Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?
>> 
>> It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.
>> 
>> This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|
>> 
>> Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other FTTC areas see the same problem.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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From jenn at jenn.id.au  Mon Jan  3 21:17:27 2022
From: jenn at jenn.id.au (Jennifer Sims)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:17:27 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
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References: <CABOrm94wBAso8g7h4cvPNH5KS8yuZjF8YLW6vc6hcUzeARnc=A@mail.gmail.com>
 <41A09A58-F405-4812-BF67-5C4A4A6FDB0C@gmail.com>
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If you are getting a RED LINK LIGHT on the NCD, then there is a fault where
it cannot supply reverse power to the DPU.

Either a DPU or NCD fault, requiring the RSP to log a fault with NBNCo to
investigate.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:13 PM Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
wrote:

> BTW, I?m getting a red flashing link light on the NCD but if I unplug it
> from the wall, the link light changes to blue (still flashing) so it seems
> to be talking to the DPU, but maybe getting some fault indication?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Jan 2022, at 20:55, Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi Greg,
>
> Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up
> where I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a
> dirt road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on
> power poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the
> network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground
> further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next
> 'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link
> you sent :-).
>
> These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your
> comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and
> may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me
> tomorrow!
>
> Cheers, Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi Chris,
>
> The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is
> reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house).
> nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only
> needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.
>
> The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any
> of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU
> reset via the nbn API.
>
> So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband,
> TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to
> drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as
> part of the troubleshooting.
>
> We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL
> copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la
> land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper
> between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up
> or replaced.
>
> I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds
> like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption
> (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the
> years).
>
> If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design
> docs -
> https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf
>
> Cheers
> Greg
>
>
>
>
> Greg Lipschitz  |  Founder & CEO  |  Summit Internet
> *glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
> *summitinternet.com.au* <http://summitinternet.com.au>
> *1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749>
> *Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131*
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> [image: Summit Internet] <http://summitinternet.com.au>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris
> Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 03 January 2022 09:26
> *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
>
> Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?
>
> It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with
> Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back
> until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then
> wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.
>
> This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I
> have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power
> backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|
>
> Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other
> FTTC areas see the same problem.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From alex at 10mates.com.au  Tue Jan  4 01:29:38 2022
From: alex at 10mates.com.au (Alex Moorhouse)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 01:29:38 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
In-Reply-To: <mailman.56.1641203756.4378.ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>
References: <mailman.56.1641203756.4378.ausnog@lists.ausnog.net>
Message-ID: <Mailbird-8b9ec398-6b26-4652-9a8e-6c0e6ea9bb13@10mates.com.au>

FTTC NCDs and DPUs are known to be pretty weak and die easily during storms.?
A. Ensure your legacy phone line was cut out of the CIU in the pit/pole - and also the other three neighbors connected to the DPU.?
B. Put your NCD and phone line on a surge protector.?
C. Try and get the more hardy Adtrans version of the NCD as they are/were meant to replace the Netcomms as the thousands of them get replaced every-time there is a storm.?
D. Get a spare/backup NCD.?
E. If budget allows, get on an eSLA via your provider - so you get priority techs.
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Today's Topics:

1. On Prem Exchange issues - y2k22 bug. (Mark Dignam)
2. Re: On Prem Exchange issues - y2k22 bug. (DaZZa)
3. Telstra NBN Outage NSW (Simon Pearce)
4. NBN FTTC services and power hits (Chris Chaundy)
5. Re: NBN FTTC services and power hits (Julien Goodwin)
6. Re: NBN FTTC services and power hits (Andy Blume)
7. Re: NBN FTTC services and power hits (Greg Lipschitz)
8. Re: NBN FTTC services and power hits (Chris Chaundy)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 15:20:25 +0800
From: "Mark Dignam"
To:
Subject: [AusNOG] On Prem Exchange issues - y2k22 bug.
Message-ID: <000b01d7fee0$0bb61250$232236f0$@innaloo.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

People.



There appears to a y2k22 bug in Exchange servers - and its fairly nasty. As
of midnight UTC, the Filtering Service stopped passing emails, email goes in
- and never gets delivered to the mailbox. Easiest thing to look for in the
event logs:

The FIP-FS Filtering Management Service was unable to acquire a scanner
within the specified timeout.

or

The FIP-FS "Microsoft" Scan Engine failed to load. PID: 12348, Error Code:
0x80004005. Error Description: Can't convert "2201010001" to long.



Office365 appears NOT affected at this stage. (as expected, with MS's
current "move to our cloud" strategy)

https://twitter.com/JRoosen/status/1477120097747677184



Quick fix for a 2016 system, open a Exchange Management Power Shell screen.



cd $exscripts

.\Disable-AntimalwareScanning.ps1

Restart-Service MSExchangeTRansport



And anything waiting in the submission will get delivered in the next few
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 18:52:32 +1100
From: DaZZa
To: Mark Dignam
Cc: AusNOG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] On Prem Exchange issues - y2k22 bug.
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Probably related Reddit thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/rt91z6/exchange_2019_antimalware_bad_update

Appears to be related to the long signed integer value for version numbers
allowing values only up to 2,147,483,647 - so when version numbers for the
malware/inline virus scanner were in 2021 - the first two numbers were "21"
and it worked.

Now it's 2022 - the first two numbers are "22", and it b0rks the update

It's almost comical that a company as big as Microsoft - especially after
the hype around Y2K bugs all those years ago - has missed this so blatantly
- but I suppose the company that we should be used to that by now.



DaZZa

On Sat, 1 Jan 2022, 6:20 pm Mark Dignam, wrote:

> People.
>
>
>
> There appears to a y2k22 bug in Exchange servers - and its fairly nasty.
> As of midnight UTC, the Filtering Service stopped passing emails, email
> goes in - and never gets delivered to the mailbox. Easiest thing to look
> for in the event logs:
>
> *The FIP-FS Filtering Management Service was unable to acquire a scanner
> within the specified timeout.*
>
> or
>
> *The FIP-FS "Microsoft" Scan Engine failed to load. PID: 12348, Error
> Code: 0x80004005. Error Description: Can't convert "2201010001" to long.*
>
>
>
> Office365 appears NOT affected at this stage. (as expected, with MS's
> current "move to our cloud" strategy)
>
> https://twitter.com/JRoosen/status/1477120097747677184
>
>
>
> Quick fix for a 2016 system, open a Exchange Management Power Shell
> screen?
>
>
>
> cd $exscripts
>
> .\Disable-AntimalwareScanning.ps1
>
> Restart-Service MSExchangeTRansport
>
>
>
> And anything waiting in the submission will get delivered in the next few
> mins.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 18:01:23 +1100
From: Simon Pearce
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra NBN Outage NSW
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi all

Apologies for the noise. We saw multiple Telstra backed NBN services go
offline in NSW and ACT around an hour ago. The Call centres seem backed up
with long wait times.

Cheers
Simon

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 09:26:00 +1100
From: Chris Chaundy
To: "ausnog at ausnog.net"
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I have 4G backup). There must be some aggregator kit that has no power backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:13:04 +1100
From: Julien Goodwin
To: "ausnog at ausnog.net"
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

On 3/1/22 9:26 am, Chris Chaundy wrote:
> It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

For *my* FTTC I've had occasional cases where an NTD reboot was needed
(~1/year), however much more frequent appears to be cases where one of
my neighbours bounce their NTD (for whatever reason) the micro-DSLAM
seems to reboot for a multi-minute outage.

I'm seriously right about at the point where I might put in an order to
get someone else to dig fibre in[1] since there's enough evidence that
NBN simply choose not to care about multiple multi-minute outages a day
so I've not even bothered trying to call a fault on it.

1: Hi sales people, no I'm not interested in talking to you, I know who
has fibre near me, I'll reach out to contacts I already have if I end up
deciding to try.


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:13:42 +0000
From: Andy Blume
Cc: "ausnog at ausnog.net"
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
Message-ID: <6FA9015A-CB3C-40F0-AF59-0F5637B3FF94 at andyblu.me>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"


On 3 Jan 2022, at 09:26, Chris Chaundy <>> wrote:

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider

Happened twice here; first in July and second just two weeks ago. Both involved a call to Aussie Broadband to organise an NBN tech to come out. Thankfully in both cases someone was able to come out very quickly, however I am concerned that every time there's a power outage or interruption this is going to be the standard procedure.


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 08:54:58 +0000
From: Greg Lipschitz
To: Chris Chaundy , "ausnog at ausnog.net"

Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
Message-ID:


Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Chris,

The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house). nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.

The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU reset via the nbn API.

So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband, TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as part of the troubleshooting.

We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up or replaced.

I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the years).

If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design docs - https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf

Cheers
Greg



________________________________

Greg Lipschitz | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet
glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au
summitinternet.com.au
1300 049 749
Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131
Summit Internet
From: AusNOG on behalf of Chris Chaundy
Sent: 03 January 2022 09:26
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I have 4G backup). There must be some aggregator kit that has no power backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 20:55:38 +1100
From: Chris Chaundy
To: Greg Lipschitz
Cc: "ausnog at ausnog.net"
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up where
I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a dirt
road. No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on power
poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the
network (plus the copper feed into my house)! It does go underground
further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next
'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link
you sent :-).

These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days. Your
comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and
may well be the issue. I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me
tomorrow!

Cheers, Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz
wrote:

?
Hi Chris,

The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is reverse
powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house). nbn use
a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only needs 1
customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.

The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any
of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU
reset via the nbn API.

So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband,
TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to
drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as
part of the troubleshooting.

We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL
copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la
land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper
between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up
or replaced.

I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds
like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption
(we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the
years).

If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design
docs -
https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf

Cheers
Greg




Greg Lipschitz | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet
*glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au*
*summitinternet.com.au*
*1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749>
*Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131*

[image: Summit Internet]
------------------------------
*From:* AusNOG on behalf of Chris Chaundy

*Sent:* 03 January 2022 09:26
*To:* ausnog at ausnog.net
*Subject:* [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with
Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back
until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then
wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I
have 4G backup). There must be some aggregator kit that has no power
backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other
FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone
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From bevan at slattery.net.au  Tue Jan  4 08:32:19 2022
From: bevan at slattery.net.au (Bevan Slattery)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:32:19 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
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Hey Chris (legend).  Get a Starlink backup. Better than 4G from a GB quota and bandwidth perspective in remote areas.
________________________________
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 7:55:38 PM
To: Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up where I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a dirt road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on power poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next 'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link you sent :-).

These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me tomorrow!

Cheers, Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au<mailto:glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>> wrote:

?
Hi Chris,

The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house). nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.

The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU reset via the nbn API.

So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband, TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as part of the troubleshooting.

We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up or replaced.

I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the years).

If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design docs - https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf

Cheers
Greg




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________________________________
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> on behalf of Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com<mailto:chris.chaundy at gmail.com>>
Sent: 03 January 2022 09:26
To: ausnog at ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>>
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone
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From anthony.schofield at vocus.com.au  Tue Jan  4 09:21:01 2022
From: anthony.schofield at vocus.com.au (Anthony Schofield)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 09:21:01 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
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Hi Chris - Hope you're well.

My (inner city) FTTC service was extremely unstable after it was first
delivered. Lots of short duration drop outs. Not good for Zoom meetings
when working from home. It took 5 separate NBN tech visits to resolve the
problem over two months. We also had to "phone a friend" at NBN assurance
to get it escalated. I have the Nokia DPU in a pit. The last thing that was
done to resolve my issue was a hard reset of the DPU - by applying a magnet
to the reset switch. The DPU is environmentally hardened and sealed (to
protect from water) so the internal reset switch uses a magnet to activate
it. I've had no issues since that was done.  One thing that was also done
(visit number ~3) was removing the "bridge tap" of the old copper PSTN
lines back to the exchange (as mentioned by Alex Morrehouse).


Regards,
Anthony Schofield


On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 20:56, Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up
> where I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a
> dirt road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on
> power poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the
> network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground
> further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next
> 'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link
> you sent :-).
>
> These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your
> comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and
> may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me
> tomorrow!
>
> Cheers, Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi Chris,
>
> The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is
> reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house).
> nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only
> needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.
>
> The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any
> of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU
> reset via the nbn API.
>
> So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband,
> TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to
> drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as
> part of the troubleshooting.
>
> We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL
> copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la
> land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper
> between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up
> or replaced.
>
> I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds
> like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption
> (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the
> years).
>
> If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design
> docs -
> https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf
>
> Cheers
> Greg
>
>
>
>
> Greg Lipschitz  |  Founder & CEO  |  Summit Internet
> *glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
> *summitinternet.com.au* <http://summitinternet.com.au>
> *1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749>
> *Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131*
> <https://www.google.com/maps?cid=12522583051503623677&_ga=2.149009334.1057584350.1554770858-1081443428.1554770858>
> [image: Summit Internet] <http://summitinternet.com.au>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris
> Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 03 January 2022 09:26
> *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
>
> Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?
>
> It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with
> Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back
> until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then
> wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.
>
> This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I
> have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power
> backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|
>
> Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other
> FTTC areas see the same problem.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From chris.chaundy at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 11:30:40 2022
From: chris.chaundy at gmail.com (Chris Chaundy)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 11:30:40 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
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OK - NBNco has visited, replaced my NCD (with another Netcomm for better or
worse) and took a look at the DPU.  They have also removed the bridge back
to the copper PSTN (they said that some surges or hits can cause the DPU to
switch the circuit back to the PSTN and not revert to the NBN!).

Anyway, it's working again so we will see how it goes...

Thanks for the comments/ideas, Chris


On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:21 AM Anthony Schofield <
anthony.schofield at vocus.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Chris - Hope you're well.
>
> My (inner city) FTTC service was extremely unstable after it was first
> delivered. Lots of short duration drop outs. Not good for Zoom meetings
> when working from home. It took 5 separate NBN tech visits to resolve the
> problem over two months. We also had to "phone a friend" at NBN assurance
> to get it escalated. I have the Nokia DPU in a pit. The last thing that was
> done to resolve my issue was a hard reset of the DPU - by applying a magnet
> to the reset switch. The DPU is environmentally hardened and sealed (to
> protect from water) so the internal reset switch uses a magnet to activate
> it. I've had no issues since that was done.  One thing that was also done
> (visit number ~3) was removing the "bridge tap" of the old copper PSTN
> lines back to the exchange (as mentioned by Alex Morrehouse).
>
>
> Regards,
> Anthony Schofield
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 20:56, Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up
>> where I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a
>> dirt road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on
>> power poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the
>> network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground
>> further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next
>> 'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link
>> you sent :-).
>>
>> These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your
>> comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and
>> may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me
>> tomorrow!
>>
>> Cheers, Chris
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is
>> reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house).
>> nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only
>> needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.
>>
>> The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that
>> any of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a
>> DPU reset via the nbn API.
>>
>> So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband,
>> TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to
>> drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as
>> part of the troubleshooting.
>>
>> We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL
>> copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la
>> land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper
>> between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up
>> or replaced.
>>
>> I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds
>> like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption
>> (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the
>> years).
>>
>> If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design
>> docs -
>> https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf
>>
>> Cheers
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Lipschitz  |  Founder & CEO  |  Summit Internet
>> *glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
>> *summitinternet.com.au* <http://summitinternet.com.au>
>> *1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749>
>> *Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131*
>> <https://www.google.com/maps?cid=12522583051503623677&_ga=2.149009334.1057584350.1554770858-1081443428.1554770858>
>> [image: Summit Internet] <http://summitinternet.com.au>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris
>> Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 03 January 2022 09:26
>> *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> *Subject:* [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
>>
>> Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?
>>
>> It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with
>> Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back
>> until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then
>> wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.
>>
>> This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I
>> have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power
>> backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|
>>
>> Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other
>> FTTC areas see the same problem.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>
>> https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.ausnog.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fausnog&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cglipschitz%40summitinternet.com.au%7C7d3675defb8a4be9a6ab08d9ce3ef1a0%7C0838a12f226e43dfa6e4bb63d2643a7e%7C1%7C0%7C637767592012923616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=eaYK8fpeVKh%2FCKcTW5KgKBQOB32TYug2Q5GLkCN7xLo%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From sburford at google.com  Tue Jan  4 11:38:31 2022
From: sburford at google.com (Sean Burford)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 11:38:31 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
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Hi,

Straying further off topic, I have an NCD on the wall (powered down,
disconnected from copper) and an FTTP box next to it.  I would lend the NCD
to my neighbours when their FTTC gets taken out by lightning (which is why
we got FTTP), however I'm concerned that this wouldn't go smoothly (either
interfering with their assertion that their NBN is down or because the NCD
is connected to my accounts in some way).  Are NCDs generic transferable
commodities or are they custom to your premises/accounts once initialized?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:31 AM Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
wrote:

> OK - NBNco has visited, replaced my NCD (with another Netcomm for better
> or worse) and took a look at the DPU.  They have also removed the bridge
> back to the copper PSTN (they said that some surges or hits can cause the
> DPU to switch the circuit back to the PSTN and not revert to the NBN!).
>
> Anyway, it's working again so we will see how it goes...
>
> Thanks for the comments/ideas, Chris
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:21 AM Anthony Schofield <
> anthony.schofield at vocus.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris - Hope you're well.
>>
>> My (inner city) FTTC service was extremely unstable after it was first
>> delivered. Lots of short duration drop outs. Not good for Zoom meetings
>> when working from home. It took 5 separate NBN tech visits to resolve the
>> problem over two months. We also had to "phone a friend" at NBN assurance
>> to get it escalated. I have the Nokia DPU in a pit. The last thing that was
>> done to resolve my issue was a hard reset of the DPU - by applying a magnet
>> to the reset switch. The DPU is environmentally hardened and sealed (to
>> protect from water) so the internal reset switch uses a magnet to activate
>> it. I've had no issues since that was done.  One thing that was also done
>> (visit number ~3) was removing the "bridge tap" of the old copper PSTN
>> lines back to the exchange (as mentioned by Alex Morrehouse).
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Anthony Schofield
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 20:56, Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Greg,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up
>>> where I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a
>>> dirt road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on
>>> power poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the
>>> network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground
>>> further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next
>>> 'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link
>>> you sent :-).
>>>
>>> These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your
>>> comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and
>>> may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me
>>> tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Cheers, Chris
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <
>>> glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is
>>> reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house).
>>> nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only
>>> needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.
>>>
>>> The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that
>>> any of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a
>>> DPU reset via the nbn API.
>>>
>>> So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie
>>> Broadband, TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your
>>> service to drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU
>>> reset as part of the troubleshooting.
>>>
>>> We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL
>>> copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la
>>> land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper
>>> between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up
>>> or replaced.
>>>
>>> I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds
>>> like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption
>>> (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the
>>> years).
>>>
>>> If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design
>>> docs -
>>> https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Lipschitz  |  Founder & CEO  |  Summit Internet
>>> *glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au* <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au>
>>> *summitinternet.com.au* <http://summitinternet.com.au>
>>> *1300 049 749* <1300%20049%20749>
>>> *Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131*
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps?cid=12522583051503623677&_ga=2.149009334.1057584350.1554770858-1081443428.1554770858>
>>> [image: Summit Internet] <http://summitinternet.com.au>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris
>>> Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* 03 January 2022 09:26
>>> *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>> *Subject:* [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
>>>
>>> Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?
>>>
>>> It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which
>>> with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back
>>> until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then
>>> wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.
>>>
>>> This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I
>>> have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power
>>> backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|
>>>
>>> Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other
>>> FTTC areas see the same problem.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From chris.chaundy at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 12:15:25 2022
From: chris.chaundy at gmail.com (Chris Chaundy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 12:15:25 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits
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I?m pretty sure that as a layer-2 device, there is no account/premises specific configuration in NCDs.? When NBNco swapped mine over, they just took one out of their van and I plugged it in.? DPUs may be a different kettle of fish but the general public shouldn?t be touching these!

 

From: Sean Burford <sburford at google.com>
Date: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:38 am
To: Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
Cc: Anthony Schofield <anthony.schofield at vocus.com.au>, "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits

 

Hi,

 

Straying further off topic, I have an NCD on the wall (powered down, disconnected from copper) and an FTTP box next to it.  I would lend the NCD to my neighbours when their FTTC gets taken out by lightning (which is why we got FTTP), however I'm concerned that this wouldn't go smoothly (either interfering with their assertion that their NBN is down or because the NCD is connected to my accounts in some way).  Are NCDs generic transferable commodities or are they custom to your premises/accounts once initialized?

 

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 11:31 AM Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com> wrote:

OK - NBNco has visited, replaced my NCD (with another Netcomm for better or worse) and took a look at the DPU.  They have also removed the bridge back to the copper PSTN (they said that some surges or hits can cause the DPU to switch the circuit back to the PSTN and not revert to the NBN!).

 

Anyway, it's working again so we will see how it goes...

 

Thanks for the comments/ideas, Chris

 

 

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:21 AM Anthony Schofield <anthony.schofield at vocus.com.au> wrote:

Hi Chris - Hope you're well.

My (inner city) FTTC service was extremely unstable after it was first delivered. Lots of short duration drop outs. Not good for Zoom meetings when working from home. It took 5 separate NBN tech visits to resolve the problem over two months. We also had to "phone a friend" at NBN assurance to get it escalated. I have the Nokia DPU in a pit. The last thing that was done to resolve my issue was a hard reset of the DPU - by applying a magnet to the reset switch. The DPU is environmentally hardened and sealed (to protect from water) so the internal reset switch uses a magnet to activate it. I've had no issues since that was done.  One thing that was also done (visit number ~3) was removing the "bridge tap" of the old copper PSTN lines back to the exchange (as mentioned by Alex Morrehouse).
 

Regards,

Anthony Schofield 

 

 

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 20:56, Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Greg,

 

Thanks for the info (a fair bit I was already aware of though) but up where I am, pretty much everyone has their own DPU (big properties along a dirt road.  No concern with pits full of water though - everything is on power poles including the DPUs and the fibre that connects them back to the network (plus the copper feed into my house)!  It does go underground further down the mountain near the township but I'm not sure where the next 'active' kit is located (there is a lot of reading in the document the link you sent :-).

 

These are not brief hits but outages that have lasted for days.  Your comment about the DPU losing its configuration is interesting though and may well be the issue.  I hope they replace it when NBNco visits me tomorrow!

 

Cheers, Chris

 

Sent from my iPhone




On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:55, Greg Lipschitz <glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au> wrote:

? 

Hi Chris,

 

The nbn DPU (the "mini-vdsl/gfast dslam" which lives in the pit) is reverse powered (about 6-14W) from the NCD (the nbn box inside your house). nbn use a mix of Netcomm and more recently Nokia DPU's. The DPU only needs 1 customer NCD connected to it to supply the power.

 

The DPU can connect up to 4 premises and the interesting thing is that any of the RSP's who have a customer connected to the DPU can initiate a DPU reset via the nbn API.

 

So, you might be with Telstra, and your neighbours with Aussie Broadband, TPG and Optus and any one of them can essentially cause your service to drop momentarily if they contact their RSP who initiates the DPU reset as part of the troubleshooting.

 

We've found that the DPU's often suffer the same fate as the old ADSL copper services when the pit fills up with water, the DPU goes off to la-la land (who would have thunk power and water didn't mix!) or the copper between the DPU and the customer gets corroded and needs to be cleaned up or replaced.

 

I've not heard of power issues causing the DPU to have issues. It sounds like the DPU is perhaps losing its config when there's a power interruption (we've certainly seen that with the Telstra EA MRV OS904 NTU's over the years).

 

If you're interested how it all comes together, nbn publish their design docs - https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/sau/network-design-rules-20210630.pdf

 

Cheers

Greg

 

 

 

 

Greg Lipschitz | Founder & CEO | Summit Internet
glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au

summitinternet.com.au

1300 049 749

Unit 2, 31-39 Norcal Road, Nunawading VIC 3131
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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Chris Chaundy <chris.chaundy at gmail.com>
Sent: 03 January 2022 09:26
To: ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN FTTC services and power hits 

 

Is there anyone from NBNco on this list willing to discuss this with me?

It seems that every time there is a power hit in our locality (which with Ausnet is pretty regularly), the FTTC services die and don?t come back until you log a fault through the provider (in my case, Telstra) and then wait for them to go through the hoops of dealing with NBNco.

This has happened four times in the last couple of months (thankfully I have 4G backup).  There must be some aggregator kit that has no power backup or cannot recover from power outages - pretty crap really. :-|

Sorry if this is a little OT for the list but I?d be interested if other FTTC areas see the same problem.

Sent from my iPhone
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From Matthew at marrold.co.uk  Tue Jan  4 21:03:27 2022
From: Matthew at marrold.co.uk (Matthew H)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 10:03:27 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?
Message-ID: <CAC-Lcd9_XJoPDpi6Y21de9Jpa3zuy7h6nfD92ym_7qc6fNgtUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We are developing a WebRTC mobile app that sets up a media session via Web
Socket and then sends the media via RTP over UDP. It's working on most
networks but we've had users report issues with the app when their iPhone
is connected to the Telstra Mobile network.

Unfortunately our network only supports IPv4, and after examining the
available logs it appears their iPhone only gets an IPv6 address. The Web
Socket communication is able to reach us so I assume a NAT64 gateway is in
use, but we don't see any RTP / UDP arrive at our network edge.

We found a couple of posts that suggest users have had similar issues with
UDP being dropped:

https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/unable-to-stream-video-over-udp-on-ipv6-only-connection/td-p/933472
https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/ios-and-ipv6/td-p/931449
https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/apple-ios/nordvpn-won-t-connect-on-4g-ios/td-p/932511

Is anyone aware of Telstra's NAT64 gateway dropping UDP?

Thanks
Matthew
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From troy at troykelly.com  Tue Jan  4 21:10:09 2022
From: troy at troykelly.com (Troy)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 10:10:09 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?
In-Reply-To: <CAC-Lcd9_XJoPDpi6Y21de9Jpa3zuy7h6nfD92ym_7qc6fNgtUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Apologies for a non answer, but any app (at least with Apple) is required to support IPv6 only networks.

https://developer.apple.com/support/ipv6/

Rather than work on a 6 to 4 fix, why not put some energy into supporting IPv6?



**Regards, Troy**

Brevity is the elixir of life.


Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020






\-------- Original Message --------
On 4 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm, Matthew H < Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We are developing a WebRTC mobile app that sets up a media session via Web Socket and then sends the media via RTP over UDP. It's working on most networks but we've had users report issues with the app when their iPhone is connected to the Telstra Mobile network.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately our network only supports IPv4, and after examining the available logs it appears their iPhone only gets an IPv6 address. The Web Socket communication is able to reach us so I assume a NAT64 gateway is in use, but we don't see any RTP / UDP arrive at our network edge.
>
>
>
>
> We found a couple of posts that suggest users have had similar issues with UDP being dropped:
>
> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/unable-to-stream-video-over-udp-on-ipv6-only-connection/td-p/933472
> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/ios-and-ipv6/td-p/931449
>
> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/apple-ios/nordvpn-won-t-connect-on-4g-ios/td-p/932511
>
>
>
>
> Is anyone aware of Telstra's NAT64 gateway dropping UDP?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Matthew
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From Matthew at marrold.co.uk  Tue Jan  4 21:33:59 2022
From: Matthew at marrold.co.uk (Matthew H)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 10:33:59 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?
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Hi,

The app works fine on other IPv6 only networks with NAT64 in place which
appears to satisfy Apple's requirements.

We are looking into adding proxies with IPv6 support, however it's likely
to take some time and it would be good if we can find a fix / workaround in
the meantime

Thanks

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:10 AM Troy <troy at troykelly.com> wrote:

> Apologies for a non answer, but any app (at least with Apple) is required
> to support IPv6 only networks.
>
> https://developer.apple.com/support/ipv6/
>
> Rather than work on a 6 to 4 fix, why not put some energy into supporting
> IPv6?
>
> *Regards, Troy*
> Brevity is the elixir of life.
> Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 4 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm, Matthew H < Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We are developing a WebRTC mobile app that sets up a media session via Web
> Socket and then sends the media via RTP over UDP. It's working on most
> networks but we've had users report issues with the app when their iPhone
> is connected to the Telstra Mobile network.
>
> Unfortunately our network only supports IPv4, and after examining the
> available logs it appears their iPhone only gets an IPv6 address. The Web
> Socket communication is able to reach us so I assume a NAT64 gateway is in
> use, but we don't see any RTP / UDP arrive at our network edge.
>
> We found a couple of posts that suggest users have had similar issues with
> UDP being dropped:
>
>
> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/unable-to-stream-video-over-udp-on-ipv6-only-connection/td-p/933472
>
> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/ios-and-ipv6/td-p/931449
>
> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/apple-ios/nordvpn-won-t-connect-on-4g-ios/td-p/932511
>
> Is anyone aware of Telstra's NAT64 gateway dropping UDP?
>
> Thanks
> Matthew
>
>
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From diosbejgli at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 18:32:37 2022
From: diosbejgli at gmail.com (Andras Toth)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 18:32:37 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?
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Hi Matthew,

As long as you use a DNS hostname instead of an IPv4 literal address,
things should work fine for both local apps or tethered/hotspot access
because Telstra's DNS servers can do DNS64. Locally on the iPhone you can
use a literal IPv4 too because iOS will do local address translation
(CLAT), but it can't translate IPv4 literals to IPv6 for connections via
the hotspot.

I don't have any problems with UDP on Telstra IPv6-only connection, I just
tried and I can send and receive UDP packets via the Telstra NAT64 gateway
when visiting https://h2o.examp1e.net/ in a browser that supports QUIC
(because that uses UDP) and since that hostname does not have an IPv6
address, Telstra converts it to IPv6 via DNS64. You can see from the packet
capture below that both src and dst addresses are Telstra (one is mine,
other side is the DNS64 gateway).

18:25:12.424022 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17)
payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 >
2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
18:25:12.666177 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288)
2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 >
2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280
18:25:12.667703 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17)
payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 >
2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
18:25:12.668868 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288)
2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 >
2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280

I would suggest trying to replicate the issue and gathering a packet
capture to see what packets go through and what gets lost. It might be MTU
related issues if too large packets can't go through but I can send 1410
bytes packets via the cellular connection successfully.

Regards,
Andras


On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:34 PM Matthew H <Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The app works fine on other IPv6 only networks with NAT64 in place which
> appears to satisfy Apple's requirements.
>
> We are looking into adding proxies with IPv6 support, however it's likely
> to take some time and it would be good if we can find a fix / workaround in
> the meantime
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:10 AM Troy <troy at troykelly.com> wrote:
>
>> Apologies for a non answer, but any app (at least with Apple) is required
>> to support IPv6 only networks.
>>
>> https://developer.apple.com/support/ipv6/
>>
>> Rather than work on a 6 to 4 fix, why not put some energy into supporting
>> IPv6?
>>
>> *Regards, Troy*
>> Brevity is the elixir of life.
>> Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On 4 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm, Matthew H < Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are developing a WebRTC mobile app that sets up a media session via
>> Web Socket and then sends the media via RTP over UDP. It's working on most
>> networks but we've had users report issues with the app when their iPhone
>> is connected to the Telstra Mobile network.
>>
>> Unfortunately our network only supports IPv4, and after examining the
>> available logs it appears their iPhone only gets an IPv6 address. The Web
>> Socket communication is able to reach us so I assume a NAT64 gateway is in
>> use, but we don't see any RTP / UDP arrive at our network edge.
>>
>> We found a couple of posts that suggest users have had similar issues
>> with UDP being dropped:
>>
>>
>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/unable-to-stream-video-over-udp-on-ipv6-only-connection/td-p/933472
>>
>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/ios-and-ipv6/td-p/931449
>>
>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/apple-ios/nordvpn-won-t-connect-on-4g-ios/td-p/932511
>>
>> Is anyone aware of Telstra's NAT64 gateway dropping UDP?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Matthew
>>
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From Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au  Wed Jan  5 18:52:58 2022
From: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au (Steven Waite)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 07:52:58 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?
In-Reply-To: <CAAtZb4pA1WkKggtL40h+Pk0o24rwKFN-i-fR-4fhe1Y0UcoFbA@mail.gmail.com>
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Good Evening
I have seen Optus and Telstra in certain areas with very low MTU below 1200 bytes so causes issues with UDP traffic because no fragmentation. We try to keep the headers below 1000 bytes or recommend TCP for SIP signalling for Mobile customers. A work around might be to strip not required information from the headers to get the MTU down

Thanks Steve




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Comtel Pty Ltd
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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Andras Toth
Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2022 5:33 PM
To: Matthew H <Matthew at marrold.co.uk>
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?

Hi Matthew,

As long as you use a DNS hostname instead of an IPv4 literal address, things should work fine for both local apps or tethered/hotspot access because Telstra's DNS servers can do DNS64. Locally on the iPhone you can use a literal IPv4 too because iOS will do local address translation (CLAT), but it can't translate IPv4 literals to IPv6 for connections via the hotspot.

I don't have any problems with UDP on Telstra IPv6-only connection, I just tried and I can send and receive UDP packets via the Telstra NAT64 gateway when visiting https://h2o.examp1e.net/ in a browser that supports QUIC (because that uses UDP) and since that hostname does not have an IPv6 address, Telstra converts it to IPv6 via DNS64. You can see from the packet capture below that both src and dst addresses are Telstra (one is mine, other side is the DNS64 gateway).

18:25:12.424022 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 > 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
18:25:12.666177 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288) 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 > 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280
18:25:12.667703 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 > 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
18:25:12.668868 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288) 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 > 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280

I would suggest trying to replicate the issue and gathering a packet capture to see what packets go through and what gets lost. It might be MTU related issues if too large packets can't go through but I can send 1410 bytes packets via the cellular connection successfully.

Regards,
Andras


On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:34 PM Matthew H <Matthew at marrold.co.uk<mailto:Matthew at marrold.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi,
The app works fine on other IPv6 only networks with NAT64 in place which appears to satisfy Apple's requirements.
We are looking into adding proxies with IPv6 support, however it's likely to take some time and it would be good if we can find a fix / workaround in the meantime
Thanks

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:10 AM Troy <troy at troykelly.com<mailto:troy at troykelly.com>> wrote:
Apologies for a non answer, but any app (at least with Apple) is required to support IPv6 only networks.

https://developer.apple.com/support/ipv6/

Rather than work on a 6 to 4 fix, why not put some energy into supporting IPv6?
Regards, Troy
Brevity is the elixir of life.
Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020




-------- Original Message --------
On 4 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm, Matthew H < Matthew at marrold.co.uk<mailto:Matthew at marrold.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi,
We are developing a WebRTC mobile app that sets up a media session via Web Socket and then sends the media via RTP over UDP. It's working on most networks but we've had users report issues with the app when their iPhone is connected to the Telstra Mobile network.
Unfortunately our network only supports IPv4, and after examining the available logs it appears their iPhone only gets an IPv6 address. The Web Socket communication is able to reach us so I assume a NAT64 gateway is in use, but we don't see any RTP / UDP arrive at our network edge.

We found a couple of posts that suggest users have had similar issues with UDP being dropped:

https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/unable-to-stream-video-over-udp-on-ipv6-only-connection/td-p/933472
https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/ios-and-ipv6/td-p/931449
https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/apple-ios/nordvpn-won-t-connect-on-4g-ios/td-p/932511

Is anyone aware of Telstra's NAT64 gateway dropping UDP?
Thanks
Matthew
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From russell3901 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 21:59:23 2022
From: russell3901 at gmail.com (Russell Langton)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 21:59:23 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?
In-Reply-To: <CAAtZb4pA1WkKggtL40h+Pk0o24rwKFN-i-fR-4fhe1Y0UcoFbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-Lcd9_XJoPDpi6Y21de9Jpa3zuy7h6nfD92ym_7qc6fNgtUQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <giQFL9OdbcUDXe_Nkr0zO540nX0RA44PM5zUUTiujvg3JG5HPvRCRb7XBQsBUGqEJr2fmaecNNHOhxfgnS0DbtsuiydgkrzOVc1tRhYxR84=@troykelly.com>
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 <CAAtZb4pA1WkKggtL40h+Pk0o24rwKFN-i-fR-4fhe1Y0UcoFbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGq70S+ZJ8Ej6pgnamTNdEwEpW5TvgRC5gFyqeHxkDR4_skz1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matthew,

As others have said, get that Ipv6 enabled asap ;)

Telstra is currently in shutdown mode for non-critical staff until next
week.

I'll reach out to you next week and we work together to see whats going on.

-Russell at Telstra.



On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, 6:33 pm Andras Toth, <diosbejgli at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
>
> As long as you use a DNS hostname instead of an IPv4 literal address,
> things should work fine for both local apps or tethered/hotspot access
> because Telstra's DNS servers can do DNS64. Locally on the iPhone you can
> use a literal IPv4 too because iOS will do local address translation
> (CLAT), but it can't translate IPv4 literals to IPv6 for connections via
> the hotspot.
>
> I don't have any problems with UDP on Telstra IPv6-only connection, I just
> tried and I can send and receive UDP packets via the Telstra NAT64 gateway
> when visiting https://h2o.examp1e.net/ in a browser that supports QUIC
> (because that uses UDP) and since that hostname does not have an IPv6
> address, Telstra converts it to IPv6 via DNS64. You can see from the packet
> capture below that both src and dst addresses are Telstra (one is mine,
> other side is the DNS64 gateway).
>
> 18:25:12.424022 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17)
> payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 >
> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
> 18:25:12.666177 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288)
> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 >
> 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280
> 18:25:12.667703 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17)
> payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 >
> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
> 18:25:12.668868 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288)
> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 >
> 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280
>
> I would suggest trying to replicate the issue and gathering a packet
> capture to see what packets go through and what gets lost. It might be MTU
> related issues if too large packets can't go through but I can send 1410
> bytes packets via the cellular connection successfully.
>
> Regards,
> Andras
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:34 PM Matthew H <Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The app works fine on other IPv6 only networks with NAT64 in place which
>> appears to satisfy Apple's requirements.
>>
>> We are looking into adding proxies with IPv6 support, however it's likely
>> to take some time and it would be good if we can find a fix / workaround in
>> the meantime
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:10 AM Troy <troy at troykelly.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Apologies for a non answer, but any app (at least with Apple) is
>>> required to support IPv6 only networks.
>>>
>>> https://developer.apple.com/support/ipv6/
>>>
>>> Rather than work on a 6 to 4 fix, why not put some energy into
>>> supporting IPv6?
>>>
>>> *Regards, Troy*
>>> Brevity is the elixir of life.
>>> Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On 4 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm, Matthew H < Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We are developing a WebRTC mobile app that sets up a media session via
>>> Web Socket and then sends the media via RTP over UDP. It's working on most
>>> networks but we've had users report issues with the app when their iPhone
>>> is connected to the Telstra Mobile network.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately our network only supports IPv4, and after examining the
>>> available logs it appears their iPhone only gets an IPv6 address. The Web
>>> Socket communication is able to reach us so I assume a NAT64 gateway is in
>>> use, but we don't see any RTP / UDP arrive at our network edge.
>>>
>>> We found a couple of posts that suggest users have had similar issues
>>> with UDP being dropped:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/unable-to-stream-video-over-udp-on-ipv6-only-connection/td-p/933472
>>>
>>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/ios-and-ipv6/td-p/931449
>>>
>>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/apple-ios/nordvpn-won-t-connect-on-4g-ios/td-p/932511
>>>
>>> Is anyone aware of Telstra's NAT64 gateway dropping UDP?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From Matthew at marrold.co.uk  Wed Jan  5 22:47:04 2022
From: Matthew at marrold.co.uk (Matthew H)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 11:47:04 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra Mobile NAT64 Gateway dropping UDP?
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Hi All,

Thanks for the replies. I think Andras has cracked it, the SDP body of a
SIP message contains an IPv4 address and is encrypted with TLS so even if a
SIP Helper or ALG is present it won't work.

The SDP RFCs imply you can use a FQDN so I will look into it. It's odd that
it works on Android but now I know what to look for I should be able to
compare the two.

Russell - Thanks for the offer that's really appreciated. Now I know what
to go on I'll look into it a bit more from our side and give you a shout if
we need anything.

Thanks again
Matthew

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:59 AM Russell Langton <russell3901 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
>
> As others have said, get that Ipv6 enabled asap ;)
>
> Telstra is currently in shutdown mode for non-critical staff until next
> week.
>
> I'll reach out to you next week and we work together to see whats going on.
>
> -Russell at Telstra.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, 6:33 pm Andras Toth, <diosbejgli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Matthew,
>>
>> As long as you use a DNS hostname instead of an IPv4 literal address,
>> things should work fine for both local apps or tethered/hotspot access
>> because Telstra's DNS servers can do DNS64. Locally on the iPhone you can
>> use a literal IPv4 too because iOS will do local address translation
>> (CLAT), but it can't translate IPv4 literals to IPv6 for connections via
>> the hotspot.
>>
>> I don't have any problems with UDP on Telstra IPv6-only connection, I
>> just tried and I can send and receive UDP packets via the Telstra NAT64
>> gateway when visiting https://h2o.examp1e.net/ in a browser that
>> supports QUIC (because that uses UDP) and since that hostname does not have
>> an IPv6 address, Telstra converts it to IPv6 via DNS64. You can see from
>> the packet capture below that both src and dst addresses are Telstra (one
>> is mine, other side is the DNS64 gateway).
>>
>> 18:25:12.424022 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17)
>> payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 >
>> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
>> 18:25:12.666177 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288)
>> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 >
>> 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280
>> 18:25:12.667703 IP6 (flowlabel 0xd0300, hlim 64, next-header UDP (17)
>> payload length: 1238) 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910 >
>> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1230
>> 18:25:12.668868 IP6 (hlim 45, next-header UDP (17) payload length: 1288)
>> 2001:8004:11d0:4e2a::84e2:18c.443 >
>> 2001:8004:c81:6820:f5b6:b0a:c39c:7cf.58910: [udp sum ok] UDP, length 1280
>>
>> I would suggest trying to replicate the issue and gathering a packet
>> capture to see what packets go through and what gets lost. It might be MTU
>> related issues if too large packets can't go through but I can send 1410
>> bytes packets via the cellular connection successfully.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andras
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:34 PM Matthew H <Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The app works fine on other IPv6 only networks with NAT64 in place which
>>> appears to satisfy Apple's requirements.
>>>
>>> We are looking into adding proxies with IPv6 support, however it's
>>> likely to take some time and it would be good if we can find a fix /
>>> workaround in the meantime
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:10 AM Troy <troy at troykelly.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apologies for a non answer, but any app (at least with Apple) is
>>>> required to support IPv6 only networks.
>>>>
>>>> https://developer.apple.com/support/ipv6/
>>>>
>>>> Rather than work on a 6 to 4 fix, why not put some energy into
>>>> supporting IPv6?
>>>>
>>>> *Regards, Troy*
>>>> Brevity is the elixir of life.
>>>> Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> On 4 Jan 2022, 9:03 pm, Matthew H < Matthew at marrold.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We are developing a WebRTC mobile app that sets up a media session via
>>>> Web Socket and then sends the media via RTP over UDP. It's working on most
>>>> networks but we've had users report issues with the app when their iPhone
>>>> is connected to the Telstra Mobile network.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately our network only supports IPv4, and after examining the
>>>> available logs it appears their iPhone only gets an IPv6 address. The Web
>>>> Socket communication is able to reach us so I assume a NAT64 gateway is in
>>>> use, but we don't see any RTP / UDP arrive at our network edge.
>>>>
>>>> We found a couple of posts that suggest users have had similar issues
>>>> with UDP being dropped:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/unable-to-stream-video-over-udp-on-ipv6-only-connection/td-p/933472
>>>>
>>>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/network-roaming/ios-and-ipv6/td-p/931449
>>>>
>>>> https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/apple-ios/nordvpn-won-t-connect-on-4g-ios/td-p/932511
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone aware of Telstra's NAT64 gateway dropping UDP?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AusNOG mailing list
>>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From spoofer-info at caida.org  Sun Jan  9 05:00:10 2022
From: spoofer-info at caida.org (CAIDA Spoofer Project)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2022 10:00:10 -0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Spoofer Report for AusNOG for Dec 2021
Message-ID: <1641664811.005703.28232.nullmailer@caida.org>

In response to feedback from operational security communities,
CAIDA's source address validation measurement project
(https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly
reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which
we received packets with a spoofed source address.
We are publishing these reports to network and security operations
lists in order to ensure this information reaches operational
contacts in these ASes.

This report summarises tests conducted within aus.

Inferred improvements during Dec 2021:
 none inferred

Source Address Validation issues inferred during Dec 2021:
ASN    Name                           First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed
45671  AS45671-NET-AU                    2020-08-18   2021-12-25

Further information for these tests where we received spoofed
packets is available at:
https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus&no_block=1

Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-info at caida.org

From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au  Mon Jan 10 13:12:35 2022
From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:12:35 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules
Message-ID: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>

Hi All,

I need to get my hands on about 14x Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules reasonably urgently.

Where is the best place to buy these from in Melbourne please ?


Many thanks



Darren.

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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Mon Jan 10 13:47:56 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:47:56 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules
In-Reply-To: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
References: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
Message-ID: <54643AFF-FB22-4CAD-93F0-BECCF85F9C60@iperium.com.au>

If you can go without non genuine, FS have a warehouse there and likely have stock, I used to be against third party optic?s but the Fibre Store stuff is solid!

Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

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On 10 Jan 2022, at 13:13, Darren Moss <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au> wrote:

?
Hi All,

I need to get my hands on about 14x Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules reasonably urgently.

Where is the best place to buy these from in Melbourne please ?


Many thanks



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From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au  Mon Jan 10 13:49:06 2022
From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:49:06 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules
In-Reply-To: <54643AFF-FB22-4CAD-93F0-BECCF85F9C60@iperium.com.au>
References: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
 <54643AFF-FB22-4CAD-93F0-BECCF85F9C60@iperium.com.au>
Message-ID: <02942da61d13465ab3c2de6eec25e5e1@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>

Thanks mate, yeah I?m on to it.



D.



From: Nathan Brookfield [mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 1:48 PM
To: Darren Moss
Cc: AusNOG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules

If you can go without non genuine, FS have a warehouse there and likely have stock, I used to be against third party optic?s but the Fibre Store stuff is solid!
Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

p: 1300 592 330  |  m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au

Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000<x-apple-data-detectors://4>

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On 10 Jan 2022, at 13:13, Darren Moss <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au> wrote:
?
Hi All,

I need to get my hands on about 14x Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules reasonably urgently.

Where is the best place to buy these from in Melbourne please ?


Many thanks



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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 13:49:04 2022
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:49:04 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules
In-Reply-To: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
References: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
Message-ID: <CAMpV8MpRBdu1282e-KtaqDkMO72JwPMsQj3Z-xQVV6t639_+0w@mail.gmail.com>

Do they need to be Cisco genuine?

If not, get them from fs.com - their Aussie warehouse in is Melbourne,
and you should be able to get next day delivery on Cisco-coded modules
if they've got them in stock

DaZZa

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 at 13:12, Darren Moss <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I need to get my hands on about 14x Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules reasonably urgently.
>
>
>
> Where is the best place to buy these from in Melbourne please ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Darren.
>
>
>
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From glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au  Mon Jan 10 13:52:33 2022
From: glipschitz at summitinternet.com.au (Greg Lipschitz)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:52:33 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules
In-Reply-To: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
References: <10468523ef254ff3a6fa8826a742344e@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
Message-ID: <MEYP282MB25977CC17FF90A03B2B809C682509@MEYP282MB2597.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I'm sure I have some sitting in my warehouse in Nunawading if you need them.
________________________________

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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Darren Moss <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au>
Sent: 10 January 2022 13:12
To: AusNOG Mailing List <ausnog at ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules


Hi All,



I need to get my hands on about 14x Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules reasonably urgently.



Where is the best place to buy these from in Melbourne please ?





Many thanks







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From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au  Mon Jan 10 13:58:27 2022
From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:58:27 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] SORTED - Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR
	modules
Message-ID: <46d0dc7eed7242db9d1eb49f72134fa9@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>

Sorted, thank you everyone.

Went to FS.

Easy to deal with and getting them in time was no issue.

Thanks again for the suggestions.


D.

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Darren Moss
Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 1:49 PM
To: Nathan Brookfield
Cc: AusNOG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules

Thanks mate, yeah I?m on to it.



D.



From: Nathan Brookfield [mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 1:48 PM
To: Darren Moss
Cc: AusNOG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Best place in Melboirne for Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules

If you can go without non genuine, FS have a warehouse there and likely have stock, I used to be against third party optic?s but the Fibre Store stuff is solid!
Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

p: 1300 592 330  |  m: 0412 266 008 | w: https://Iperium.com.au

Level 7, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 2000<x-apple-data-detectors://4>

Your Connectivity Team


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On 10 Jan 2022, at 13:13, Darren Moss <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au> wrote:
?
Hi All,

I need to get my hands on about 14x Cisco SFP-10G-LR modules reasonably urgently.

Where is the best place to buy these from in Melbourne please ?


Many thanks



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From guy at traverse.com.au  Thu Jan 13 14:38:12 2022
From: guy at traverse.com.au (Guy Ellis)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 14:38:12 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
Message-ID: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>

Hi all,

We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many 
ISDN lines still in service.

I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the 
entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?

Kind regards,

 ?- Guy

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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Jan 13 14:48:06 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 03:48:06 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
Message-ID: <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Guy,

I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?

Nathan Brookfield

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

Hi all,

We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.

I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?

Kind regards,

 ?- Guy

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From mmc at mmc.com.au  Thu Jan 13 15:39:30 2022
From: mmc at mmc.com.au (Matthew Moyle-Croft)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:09:30 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>

Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:

I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?

Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.

MMC
(I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guy,
> 
> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
> 
> Nathan Brookfield
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
> 
> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
>  - Guy
> 
> --
> Guy Ellis
> Mobile +61 419 398 234
> AU 03 9489 6678
> NZ 09 884 9756
> www.traverse.com.au
> 
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From craig at askings.com.au  Thu Jan 13 15:42:30 2022
From: craig at askings.com.au (Craig Askings)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 14:42:30 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
Message-ID: <19EAF3E2-A270-482C-97D0-77270140C3B9@askings.com.au>

I wish faxes would die off at the same time. 

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:39 pm, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:
> 
> I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?
> 
> Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.
> 
> MMC
> (I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).
> 
>> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Guy,
>> 
>> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>> 
>> Nathan Brookfield
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
>> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>> 
>> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> - Guy
>> 
>> --
>> Guy Ellis
>> Mobile +61 419 398 234
>> AU 03 9489 6678
>> NZ 09 884 9756
>> www.traverse.com.au
>> 
>> 
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From Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au  Thu Jan 13 15:45:24 2022
From: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au (Steven Waite)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 04:45:24 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
Message-ID: <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>

56k Still works well over G711 with no VAD very well if you have full control end to end ?. Like been retro



Steven Waite
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Comtel Pty Ltd
Tel: +61 (7) 37154818
Email: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au
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-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 2:40 PM
To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:

I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?

Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.

MMC
(I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>
> Nathan Brookfield
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>
> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Guy
>
> --
> Guy Ellis
> Mobile +61 419 398 234
> AU 03 9489 6678
> NZ 09 884 9756
> www.traverse.com.au
>
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From mmc at mmc.com.au  Thu Jan 13 15:48:33 2022
From: mmc at mmc.com.au (Matthew Moyle-Croft)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:18:33 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <D3E18C0A-3F25-4D31-B4AD-A15DDB730BC6@mmc.com.au>

Don?t be like that Steven.  Let the modems die.

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 3:15 pm, Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au> wrote:
> 
> 56k Still works well over G711 with no VAD very well if you have full control end to end ?. Like been retro
> 
> 
> 
> Steven Waite
> Pre-Sales Engineer
> Comtel Pty Ltd
> Tel: +61 (7) 37154818
> Email: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au <mailto:Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>
> Website: www.comtel.com.au <http://www.comtel.com.au/>
> <image287bb9.JPG> <https://www.comtel.com.au/>
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 2:40 PM
> To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au <mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>; russell3901 at gmail.com <mailto:russell3901 at gmail.com>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> 
> Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:
> 
> I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?
> 
> Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.
> 
> MMC
> (I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).
> 
> > On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au <mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guy,
> >
> > I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
> >
> > Nathan Brookfield
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> > Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
> >
> > I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >  - Guy
> >
> > --
> > Guy Ellis
> > Mobile +61 419 398 234
> > AU 03 9489 6678
> > NZ 09 884 9756
> > www.traverse.com.au <http://www.traverse.com.au/>
> >
> >
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From vk6ksj at westnet.com.au  Thu Jan 13 15:50:40 2022
From: vk6ksj at westnet.com.au (Kai)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:50:40 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <19EAF3E2-A270-482C-97D0-77270140C3B9@askings.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
 <19EAF3E2-A270-482C-97D0-77270140C3B9@askings.com.au>
Message-ID: <703d9dac-2d0c-17ef-69a0-2317076fa9d2@westnet.com.au>

Last time I heard a fax noise up here in far North WA was in a 
Government department "office" (I use that term loosely), because some 
of their customers at remote outstations didn't have any other 
connectivity and good ol' PSTN still worked...until the gear at the 
exchange is eventually migrated, some day, and they have to finally move 
off their 30 year old legacy systems and find a new vendor.

On 13/01/2022 12:42 pm, Craig Askings wrote:
> I wish faxes would die off at the same time.
> 
>> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:39 pm, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:
>>
>> I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?
>>
>> Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.
>>
>> MMC
>> (I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).
>>
>>> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Guy,
>>>
>>> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>>>
>>> Nathan Brookfield
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
>>> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> - Guy
>>>
>>> --
>>> Guy Ellis
>>> Mobile +61 419 398 234
>>> AU 03 9489 6678
>>> NZ 09 884 9756
>>> www.traverse.com.au
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Jan 13 15:53:03 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 04:53:03 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
 <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>
Message-ID: <MEYP282MB252057030FFCD952EB789F82DB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It sure does, we have a client who does this for Broadcast over to the UK with Tieline devices at each end, almost fell off my chair when it worked?.

Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

p: 02 4749 4949 |  1300 592 330  |
e: nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au<mailto:nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au>  |  w: iperium.co

Suite 702, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 200
[cid:image001.png at 01D80895.A373BC50]
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From: Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:45 PM
To: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>; Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

56k Still works well over G711 with no VAD very well if you have full control end to end ?. Like been retro

Steven Waite
Pre-Sales Engineer
Comtel Pty Ltd
Tel: +61 (7) 37154818
Email: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au
Website: www.comtel.com.au

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-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 2:40 PM
To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:

I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?

Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.

MMC
(I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>
> Nathan Brookfield
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>
> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Guy
>
> --
> Guy Ellis
> Mobile +61 419 398 234
> AU 03 9489 6678
> NZ 09 884 9756
> www.traverse.com.au
>
>
> --
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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From jaybinks at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 16:00:41 2022
From: jaybinks at gmail.com (jay binks)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:00:41 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <MEYP282MB252057030FFCD952EB789F82DB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
 <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB252057030FFCD952EB789F82DB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAO47Hpf3xwLkC=_6es1=_1JW491fSeoe_w=Z3iw9O15xzZ-v9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Nathan,

Just because you can, dosnt mean you should !

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 14:53, Nathan Brookfield <
Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:

> It sure does, we have a client who does this for Broadcast over to the UK
> with Tieline devices at each end, almost fell off my chair when it worked?.
>
>
>
>
> *Nathan Brookfield *General Manager
>
> *p*: 02 4749 4949 |  1300 592 330  |
> *e*: nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au  |  *w*: iperium.co
>
> Suite 702, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 200
>
>
> *Your Telco Team*
>
> DISCLAIMER: This document is intended solely for the named addressee. This
> electronic communication, which includes any files or attachments thereto,
> contains proprietary or confidential information and may be privileged and
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> please contact the sender immediately and delete all the material from any
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> *From:* Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:45 PM
> *To:* Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>; Nathan Brookfield <
> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* RE: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
>
>
> 56k Still works well over G711 with no VAD very well if you have full
> control end to end ?. Like been retro
>
>
>
> Steven Waite
> Pre-Sales Engineer
> Comtel Pty Ltd
>
> Tel: +61 (7) 37154818
> Email: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au
> Website: www.comtel.com.au
>
>
> <https://www.comtel.com.au/>
>
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> this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient
> is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and
> destroy any copies of this information.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Matthew
> Moyle-Croft
> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 2:40 PM
> To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>;
> russell3901 at gmail.com
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
> Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:
>
> I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem
> calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least,
> on Telstra?s network?
>
> Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally
> die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.
>
> MMC
> (I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).
>
> > On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <
> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guy,
> >
> > I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown
> started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there
> is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good
> middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and
> Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
> >
> > Nathan Brookfield
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> > Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many
> ISDN lines still in service.
> >
> > I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the
> entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >  - Guy
> >
> > --
> > Guy Ellis
> > Mobile +61 419 398 234
> > AU 03 9489 6678
> > NZ 09 884 9756
> > www.traverse.com.au
> >
> >
> > --
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
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-- 
Sincerely

Jay
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Jan 13 16:13:33 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:13:33 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <CAO47Hpf3xwLkC=_6es1=_1JW491fSeoe_w=Z3iw9O15xzZ-v9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
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Sometimes you just don?t have a choice, just like faxing, it should have been DEAD 10 years ago?.

From: jay binks <jaybinks at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 4:01 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Cc: Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>; Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com; Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

Nathan,

Just because you can, dosnt mean you should !

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 14:53, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
It sure does, we have a client who does this for Broadcast over to the UK with Tieline devices at each end, almost fell off my chair when it worked?.

Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

p: 02 4749 4949 |  1300 592 330  |
e: nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au<mailto:nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au>  |  w: iperium.co<http://iperium.co>

Suite 702, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 200
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From: Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au<mailto:Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:45 PM
To: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au<mailto:mmc at mmc.com.au>>; Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>; russell3901 at gmail.com<mailto:russell3901 at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

56k Still works well over G711 with no VAD very well if you have full control end to end ?. Like been retro

Steven Waite
Pre-Sales Engineer
Comtel Pty Ltd
Tel: +61 (7) 37154818
Email: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au<mailto:Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>
Website: www.comtel.com.au<http://www.comtel.com.au>

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-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 2:40 PM
To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>; russell3901 at gmail.com<mailto:russell3901 at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:

I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?

Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.

MMC
(I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>
> Nathan Brookfield
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>
> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Guy
>
> --
> Guy Ellis
> Mobile +61 419 398 234
> AU 03 9489 6678
> NZ 09 884 9756
> www.traverse.com.au<http://www.traverse.com.au>
>
>
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Thu Jan 13 16:18:01 2022
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:18:01 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
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References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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In Japan faxes are used by almost everyone because the government won?t allow any other way to send documents to them. Even Covid results were being faxed around.

Healthcare still loves it as it?s more secure than email apparently.
Yes let?s send test results via fax so they can sit in the machine in full view of anyone who goes to them

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
________________________________
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 1:13:33 PM
To: 'jay binks' <jaybinks at gmail.com>; 'ausnog at lists.ausnog.net' <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022


Sometimes you just don?t have a choice, just like faxing, it should have been DEAD 10 years ago?.



From: jay binks <jaybinks at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 4:01 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Cc: Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>; Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com; Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022



Nathan,



Just because you can, dosnt mean you should !



On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 14:53, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:

It sure does, we have a client who does this for Broadcast over to the UK with Tieline devices at each end, almost fell off my chair when it worked?.



Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

p: 02 4749 4949 |  1300 592 330  |
e: nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au<mailto:nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au>  |  w: iperium.co<http://iperium.co>

Suite 702, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 200

[cid:image001.png at 01D80898.80AC5B20]
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From: Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au<mailto:Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:45 PM
To: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au<mailto:mmc at mmc.com.au>>; Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>; russell3901 at gmail.com<mailto:russell3901 at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022



56k Still works well over G711 with no VAD very well if you have full control end to end ?. Like been retro



Steven Waite
Pre-Sales Engineer
Comtel Pty Ltd


Tel: +61 (7) 37154818
Email: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au<mailto:Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>
Website: www.comtel.com.au<http://www.comtel.com.au>


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-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 2:40 PM
To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>>; russell3901 at gmail.com<mailto:russell3901 at gmail.com>
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:

I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?

Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.

MMC
(I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>
> Nathan Brookfield
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>
> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Guy
>
> --
> Guy Ellis
> Mobile +61 419 398 234
> AU 03 9489 6678
> NZ 09 884 9756
> www.traverse.com.au<http://www.traverse.com.au>
>
>
> --
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From jaedwards at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 16:23:13 2022
From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:53:13 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAOSsYkoXLawjkWwkCV2F33VOiXJUJ-evWTfmoGAYXGN-nXD+Ng@mail.gmail.com>

I saw Steve Baxter set a Netcomm modem rack on fire at one of his legendary
Senet barbecues. Although it was well deserved; given the amount of
toxic black smoke that followed I would not recommend this course of action.

John
(still unable to get Q.931 bearer capability codes out of my head 20 years
after they were useful)

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 15:10, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au> wrote:

> Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:
>
> I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem
> calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least,
> on Telstra?s network?
>
> Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally
> die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.
>
> MMC
> (I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).
>
> > On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <
> Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guy,
> >
> > I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown
> started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there
> is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good
> middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and
> Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
> >
> > Nathan Brookfield
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> > Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many
> ISDN lines still in service.
> >
> > I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the
> entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >  - Guy
> >
> > --
> > Guy Ellis
> > Mobile +61 419 398 234
> > AU 03 9489 6678
> > NZ 09 884 9756
> > www.traverse.com.au
> >
> >
> > --
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Jan 13 16:41:03 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:41:03 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <CAOSsYkoXLawjkWwkCV2F33VOiXJUJ-evWTfmoGAYXGN-nXD+Ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
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Message-ID: <MEYP282MB2520FBA1C2A71C7287E7802CDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Now that?s how you throw a party, similar to a few years ago when I put some 7206VXR?s to bed by sinking them in a pool just to make sure they could never come back to life :D

From: John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 4:23 PM
To: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>
Cc: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

I saw Steve Baxter set a Netcomm modem rack on fire at one of his legendary Senet barbecues. Although it was well deserved; given the amount of toxic black smoke that followed I would not recommend this course of action.

John
(still unable to get Q.931 bearer capability codes out of my head 20 years after they were useful)

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 15:10, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au<mailto:mmc at mmc.com.au>> wrote:
Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:

I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?

Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.

MMC
(I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>
> Nathan Brookfield
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>
> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Guy
>
> --
> Guy Ellis
> Mobile +61 419 398 234
> AU 03 9489 6678
> NZ 09 884 9756
> www.traverse.com.au<http://www.traverse.com.au>
>
>
> --
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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From gwm2015 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 16:41:07 2022
From: gwm2015 at gmail.com (Greg Henderson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:41:07 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
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First they came for the telex, and I did not speak out as I didn?t have a telex.
Then they came for the modems, and I did not speak out because I didn?t have a modem.
Then they came for me because, apparently, not having a telex or modem is a crime?

? or something like that.

Greg Henderson
0401462462


From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 13 January 2022 at 4:23 pm
To: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>
Cc: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

I saw Steve Baxter set a Netcomm modem rack on fire at one of his legendary Senet barbecues. Although it was well deserved; given the amount of toxic black smoke that followed I would not recommend this course of action.

John
(still unable to get Q.931 bearer capability codes out of my head 20 years after they were useful)

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 15:10, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au<mailto:mmc at mmc.com.au>> wrote:
Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:

I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?

Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.

MMC
(I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).

> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au<mailto:Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>> wrote:
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
>
> Nathan Brookfield
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
>
> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Guy
>
> --
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From glenn.satchell at uniq.com.au  Thu Jan 13 17:57:08 2022
From: glenn.satchell at uniq.com.au (Glenn Satchell)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:57:08 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <SG2PR03MB4424A39FF8F06CBB9E5B6E40AD539@SG2PR03MB4424.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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Message-ID: <177bc4a756f3197ee86009cb2ed62d54@uniq.com.au>

We ditched the fax at work about 5 years ago when we realised we hadn't 
sent or received one for about 6 months :)

No-one missed it.

As for ISDN, we ditched our 64k ISDN line back in the 90s!

Now, about that Frame Relay connection... ha ha

regards
Glenn

On 2022-01-13 16:18, Bradley Amm wrote:

> In Japan faxes are used by almost everyone because the government won't 
> allow any other way to send documents to them. Even Covid results were 
> being faxed around.
> 
> Healthcare still loves it as it's more secure than email apparently.
> Yes let's send test results via fax so they can sit in the machine in 
> full view of anyone who goes to them
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS [5]
> -------------------------
> 
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Nathan 
> Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 1:13:33 PM
> To: 'jay binks' <jaybinks at gmail.com>; 'ausnog at lists.ausnog.net' 
> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> 
> Sometimes you just don't have a choice, just like faxing, it should 
> have been DEAD 10 years ago....
> 
> From: jay binks <jaybinks at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 4:01 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Cc: Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>; Matthew Moyle-Croft 
> <mmc at mmc.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com; Nathan Brookfield 
> <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> 
> Nathan,
> 
> Just because you can, doesn't mean you should !
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 14:53, Nathan Brookfield 
> <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> It sure does, we have a client who does this for Broadcast over to the 
>> UK with Tieline devices at each end, almost fell off my chair when it 
>> worked....
>> 
>> Nathan Brookfield
>> General Manager
>> 
>> p: 02 4749 4949 |  1300 592 330  |
>> e: nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au  |  w: iperium.co [1]
>> 
>> Suite 702, 82 Elizabeth Street, Sydney NSW 200
>> 
>> Your Telco Team
>> 
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>> From: Steven Waite <Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:45 PM
>> To: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>; Nathan Brookfield 
>> <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com
>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>> 
>> 56k Still works well over G711 with no VAD very well if you have full 
>> control end to end ?. Like been retro
>> 
>> Steven Waite
>> Pre-Sales Engineer
>> Comtel Pty Ltd
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Matthew 
>> Moyle-Croft
>> Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 2:40 PM
>> To: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; 
>> russell3901 at gmail.com
>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>> 
>> Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:
>> 
>> I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem 
>> calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at 
>> least, on Telstra's network?
>> 
>> Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems 
>> finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.
>> 
>> MMC
>> (I'm not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield 
>>> <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Guy,
>>> 
>>> I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown 
>>> started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, 
>>> there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots 
>>> of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half 
>>> Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Nathan Brookfield
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
>>> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many 
>>> ISDN lines still in service.
>>> 
>>> I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the 
>>> entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> - Guy
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Guy Ellis
>>> Mobile +61 419 398 234
>>> AU 03 9489 6678
>>> NZ 09 884 9756
>>> www.traverse.com.au [4]
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
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From kauer at biplane.com.au  Thu Jan 13 18:41:18 2022
From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:41:18 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
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On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 05:18 +0000, Bradley Amm wrote:
> Healthcare still loves it as it?s more secure than email apparently.
> Yes let?s send test results via fax so they can sit in the machine in
> full view of anyone who goes to them

https://biplane.com.au/blog/?p=530

"Fax is point-to-point. It?s difficult to intercept except at the
endpoints, interception between the endpoints takes a lot of
specialised knowledge, and no endpoint is a honeypot. The medium is not
inherently copyable. Interception at the endpoint takes a significant
amount of time and requires the physical presence of an attacker. Any
attacker would be able to access relatively few records. Access would
be expensive and slow with very high risk of discovery (unless the
attacker was on staff in which case all communication methods would be
equally compromised), while for the legitimate user the rate of access
is easily sufficient. So fax is actually not a bad means of
transferring private data as long as the fax machines are not located
in public spaces."

Internet fax would be nice - fax machines with publicly reachable IP
addresses, protected by SSL, that just print whatever page is sent to
them. Some form of authentication would be essential of course :-)

Regards, K.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au)
http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer

GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58
Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170




From chris+ausnog at legg.net.au  Thu Jan 13 18:51:30 2022
From: chris+ausnog at legg.net.au (Chris Legg)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:51:30 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <ed134fa39251de3d91da6c61f36ecb85ae688cc9.camel@biplane.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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Message-ID: <c81c7afe-1aa6-9880-3266-7b59a63b0df2@legg.net.au>

Interesting concept but how would this differ from email, apart from 
automatically printing?
Private information being automatically printed defeats the purpose of 
authentication.

thanks
Chris


On 13/01/2022 3:41 pm, Karl Auer wrote:
> Internet fax would be nice - fax machines with publicly reachable IP
> addresses, protected by SSL, that just print whatever page is sent to
> them. Some form of authentication would be essential of course :-)
>
> Regards, K.
>


From adamh at launtel.net.au  Thu Jan 13 18:55:50 2022
From: adamh at launtel.net.au (Adam Heathcote)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 18:55:50 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <ed134fa39251de3d91da6c61f36ecb85ae688cc9.camel@biplane.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
 <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>
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Message-ID: <CAOXmxa4=1VC_RizqONjiQ+VZ4Ai_XKNEP5rssZh2jaggUkYfnw@mail.gmail.com>

Whilst this is generally true, any SIP provider that isn?t using TLS can
reconstruct the fax image with voip diagnostic software/packet sniffers.
Whilst not an endpoint, the fax does travel through their systems.

I understand that people that work with voip systems are in a ?privileged?
position and so policies and procedures would prevent employees from doing
this. It is technically trivial though.



On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 6:41 pm, Karl Auer <kauer at biplane.com.au> wrote:

> On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 05:18 +0000, Bradley Amm wrote:
> > Healthcare still loves it as it?s more secure than email apparently.
> > Yes let?s send test results via fax so they can sit in the machine in
> > full view of anyone who goes to them
>
> https://biplane.com.au/blog/?p=530
>
> "Fax is point-to-point. It?s difficult to intercept except at the
> endpoints, interception between the endpoints takes a lot of
> specialised knowledge, and no endpoint is a honeypot. The medium is not
> inherently copyable. Interception at the endpoint takes a significant
> amount of time and requires the physical presence of an attacker. Any
> attacker would be able to access relatively few records. Access would
> be expensive and slow with very high risk of discovery (unless the
> attacker was on staff in which case all communication methods would be
> equally compromised), while for the legitimate user the rate of access
> is easily sufficient. So fax is actually not a bad means of
> transferring private data as long as the fax machines are not located
> in public spaces."
>
> Internet fax would be nice - fax machines with publicly reachable IP
> addresses, protected by SSL, that just print whatever page is sent to
> them. Some form of authentication would be essential of course :-)
>
> Regards, K.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au)
> http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer
>
> GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58
> Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170
>
>
>
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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Jan 13 18:59:17 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:59:17 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
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We pretty much do just that but with Printers that check a POP3 or iMAP mailbox then automatically print what's in the mailbox with attachment, works swimmingly with Fax to e-mail as well.-

Nathan Brookfield
General Manager

p: 02 4749 4949 |??1300 592 330? |??
e:?nathan.brookfield at simtronic.com.au? |??w:?iperium.co

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-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Karl Auer
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:41 PM
To: 'ausnog at lists.ausnog.net' <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 05:18 +0000, Bradley Amm wrote:
> Healthcare still loves it as it?s more secure than email apparently.
> Yes let?s send test results via fax so they can sit in the machine in 
> full view of anyone who goes to them

https://biplane.com.au/blog/?p=530

"Fax is point-to-point. It?s difficult to intercept except at the endpoints, interception between the endpoints takes a lot of specialised knowledge, and no endpoint is a honeypot. The medium is not inherently copyable. Interception at the endpoint takes a significant amount of time and requires the physical presence of an attacker. Any attacker would be able to access relatively few records. Access would be expensive and slow with very high risk of discovery (unless the attacker was on staff in which case all communication methods would be equally compromised), while for the legitimate user the rate of access is easily sufficient. So fax is actually not a bad means of transferring private data as long as the fax machines are not located in public spaces."

Internet fax would be nice - fax machines with publicly reachable IP addresses, protected by SSL, that just print whatever page is sent to them. Some form of authentication would be essential of course :-)

Regards, K.

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http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer

GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58 Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170



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From shane at sme.net.au  Thu Jan 13 19:23:57 2022
From: shane at sme.net.au (Shane Hart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:23:57 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
Message-ID: <SYCPR01MB35498D567DC9918EE662D96A9B539@SYCPR01MB3549.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Great

Here come the anti *Faxers*


From chad at cpkws.com.au  Thu Jan 13 19:55:48 2022
From: chad at cpkws.com.au (Chad Kelly)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:55:48 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown
Message-ID: <ME3PR01MB6878D7B869E38BB2667BFE9BFD539@ME3PR01MB6878.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Just on this, aren't Telstra shutting down the ADSL and ADSL 2 networks at some point in the next few years?
Also I don't think you can sell Dial up connections through Telstra anymore.
2015 they stopped selling it retail so if your still using it for some limited services find a better solution.
ISDN lines were old when ADSL came out so it makes sense Telstra is getting rid of them.
In most of the areas where you needed ISDN Fibre should be available either through Telstra, TPG / AAPT or NBN EE. Which will be far more superior.
Only issues would be in really remote parts of Australia where Starlink isn't an option due to no mobile coverage and large trees etc.
That leaves SkyMuster which is a bit hit and miss.
Also not much good for voice I mean its doable but I wouldn't want to use voice services over SkyMuster day in day out unless no other option was available.


Chad Kelly
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Phone 03 52730246
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From kauer at biplane.com.au  Thu Jan 13 20:04:57 2022
From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:04:57 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <c81c7afe-1aa6-9880-3266-7b59a63b0df2@legg.net.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 15:51 +0800, Chris Legg wrote:
> Interesting concept but how would this differ from email, apart from 
> automatically printing?

Because (done right) you don't need a computer, a monitor, or skillz.
It is a Thing with an IP address that prints what it is sent from
authenticated sources. That's it. People happily typed phone numbers
into fax machines - they can type IP addresses just as easily :-)

> Private information being automatically printed defeats the purpose
> of authentication.

Not at all. As long as the machine is accessible only to authorised
people. Conceptually no different to a PC on a desk receiving an
encrypted email.

BTW I am not seriously advocating for the Internet Fax Machine, or for
old-school fax machines. The point of my quote was that old does not
necessarily mean useless, old definitely does not necessarily mean less
secure, and that new does not necessarily mean better or more secure.
Fax machines have a HUGE slew of advantages over the alternatives. They
have downsides too.

Regards, K.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au)
http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer

GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58
Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170




From kauer at biplane.com.au  Thu Jan 13 20:08:23 2022
From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 20:08:23 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <CAOXmxa4=1VC_RizqONjiQ+VZ4Ai_XKNEP5rssZh2jaggUkYfnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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Message-ID: <7af9f7a1bcff60654e68407851d9ba28f111387b.camel@biplane.com.au>

On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 18:55 +1100, Adam Heathcote wrote:
> Whilst this is generally true, any SIP provider that isn?t using TLS
> can reconstruct the fax image with voip diagnostic software/packet
> sniffers. Whilst not an endpoint, the fax does travel through their
> systems.

I think being a SIP provider would count as "interception between the
endpoints takes a lot of specialised knowledge", not to mention an
absolute shedload of specialised equipment.

The Internet Fax Machine would obviously not have this vulnerability :-
)

Regards, K.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au)
http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer

GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58
Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170




From elliott at willink.net.au  Thu Jan 13 20:59:21 2022
From: elliott at willink.net.au (Elliott Willink)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 09:59:21 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <7af9f7a1bcff60654e68407851d9ba28f111387b.camel@biplane.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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Message-ID: <ME2P282MB048151518240A167D08BCA1780539@ME2P282MB0481.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

And I've been wasting time encrypting GRE tunnels all these years!!

The best part of fax in the medical field is that 95% of healthcare providers will immediately (if not automatically, hello Gofax/Efax/every fax machine less than 10 years old) digitise printed faxes back into their internet-connected and remotely accessible PAS.

Nobody will guess username doctor password blank? though, so your pathology results are safe ?

Pretty much the only faxes that aren't digitised in healthcare are the "buy a timeshare" spam faxes which, somehow, still exist.

________________________________
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Karl Auer <kauer at biplane.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:08 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 18:55 +1100, Adam Heathcote wrote:
> Whilst this is generally true, any SIP provider that isn?t using TLS
> can reconstruct the fax image with voip diagnostic software/packet
> sniffers. Whilst not an endpoint, the fax does travel through their
> systems.

I think being a SIP provider would count as "interception between the
endpoints takes a lot of specialised knowledge", not to mention an
absolute shedload of specialised equipment.

The Internet Fax Machine would obviously not have this vulnerability :-
)

Regards, K.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au)
http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer

GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58
Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170



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From Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au  Thu Jan 13 22:23:42 2022
From: Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au (Nathan Brookfield)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:23:42 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <ME2P282MB048151518240A167D08BCA1780539@ME2P282MB0481.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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Message-ID: <5D28D4D2-2627-4B94-80F4-D674BA470CD5@iperium.com.au>

I wonder if people still get faxes trying to sell them after market toner? Haha!

On 13 Jan 2022, at 20:59, Elliott Willink <elliott at willink.net.au> wrote:

?
And I've been wasting time encrypting GRE tunnels all these years!!

The best part of fax in the medical field is that 95% of healthcare providers will immediately (if not automatically, hello Gofax/Efax/every fax machine less than 10 years old) digitise printed faxes back into their internet-connected and remotely accessible PAS.

Nobody will guess username doctor password blank? though, so your pathology results are safe ?

Pretty much the only faxes that aren't digitised in healthcare are the "buy a timeshare" spam faxes which, somehow, still exist.

________________________________
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Karl Auer <kauer at biplane.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 8:08 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022

On Thu, 2022-01-13 at 18:55 +1100, Adam Heathcote wrote:
> Whilst this is generally true, any SIP provider that isn?t using TLS
> can reconstruct the fax image with voip diagnostic software/packet
> sniffers. Whilst not an endpoint, the fax does travel through their
> systems.

I think being a SIP provider would count as "interception between the
endpoints takes a lot of specialised knowledge", not to mention an
absolute shedload of specialised equipment.

The Internet Fax Machine would obviously not have this vulnerability :-
)

Regards, K.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au)
http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer

GPG fingerprint: 61A0 99A9 8823 3A75 871E 5D90 BADB B237 260C 9C58
Old fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170



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From jhellenthal at dataix.net  Thu Jan 13 22:30:42 2022
From: jhellenthal at dataix.net (J. Hellenthal)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 05:30:42 -0600
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <MEYP282MB2520FBA1C2A71C7287E7802CDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <MEYP282MB2520FBA1C2A71C7287E7802CDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <DFCB57F5-AAF9-48B8-B5B1-9C244B8C1564@dataix.net>

Haha. Dig a hole drop the whole rack in fill it with cement and erect a flag pole !

At least you can always look up front and solute

-- 
 J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> On Jan 12, 2022, at 23:41, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Now that?s how you throw a party, similar to a few years ago when I put some 7206VXR?s to bed by sinking them in a pool just to make sure they could never come back to life :D
>  
> From: John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 4:23 PM
> To: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>
> Cc: Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au>; russell3901 at gmail.com; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
>  
> I saw Steve Baxter set a Netcomm modem rack on fire at one of his legendary Senet barbecues. Although it was well deserved; given the amount of toxic black smoke that followed I would not recommend this course of action.
>  
> John
> (still unable to get Q.931 bearer capability codes out of my head 20 years after they were useful)
>  
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 15:10, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au> wrote:
> Unrelated to the ISDN Issue below:
> 
> I feel that this almost declares the end of the era of analogue modem calls. Wonder if Russell can help with the last 56k modem call, at least, on Telstra?s network?
> 
> Should be recorded for posterity and to make sure analogue modems finally die and can be all buried in landfill after being set on fire.
> 
> MMC
> (I?m not suffering any PTSD from them, no sir).
> 
> > On 13 Jan 2022, at 2:18 pm, Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Guy,
> > 
> > I believe this would indeed be a hard date for them, the shutdown started in 2019 and has been well reported and notified to customers, there is no going back from this one unfortunately.  There are lots of good middle ground alternatives though to move them between a half Analogue and Digital world but they're going to have to get cracking ?
> > 
> > Nathan Brookfield
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Guy Ellis
> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 2:38 PM
> > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> > Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > We have a customer that is somewhat exposed here and has way too many ISDN lines still in service.
> > 
> > I'm curious to here if anyone else is in the same boat, and is the entire ISDN network going to be switched off on the date?
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> >  - Guy
> > 
> > --
> > Guy Ellis
> > Mobile +61 419 398 234
> > AU 03 9489 6678
> > NZ 09 884 9756
> > www.traverse.com.au
> > 
> > 
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From dazzagibbs at gmail.com  Fri Jan 14 08:15:25 2022
From: dazzagibbs at gmail.com (DaZZa)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 08:15:25 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <5D28D4D2-2627-4B94-80F4-D674BA470CD5@iperium.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 22:24, Nathan Brookfield
<Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
> I wonder if people still get faxes trying to sell them after market toner? Haha!

Yes.

$Company still has (and uses) a fax machine extensively because reasons.

We get ads for toner, LED light bulbs, indoor plants - you name it -
on an almost daily basis.

DaZZa

From mark at delfin.me  Sat Jan 15 07:15:24 2022
From: mark at delfin.me (Mark Anthony Delfin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:15:24 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] IP Subnet not accessible from Optus
Message-ID: <CADAvG3JESu=NVf-NFafZatiKD6S7bqBBCHpoREZycHD4hzUOtA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

I apologised for sending it on a Saturday morning.  Just checking if there
is someone from Optus here.  For the past 3-4 days,  103.136.10.0/24
(APNIC, BYOIP'ed to AWS) is not accessible from Optus mobiles.
http://looking-glass.optus.net.au/ doesn't seem to work.

Thank you
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From stavros at staff.esc.net.au  Sat Jan 15 12:15:01 2022
From: stavros at staff.esc.net.au (Stavros Patiniotis)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:45:01 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] IP Subnet not accessible from Optus
In-Reply-To: <CADAvG3JESu=NVf-NFafZatiKD6S7bqBBCHpoREZycHD4hzUOtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADAvG3JESu=NVf-NFafZatiKD6S7bqBBCHpoREZycHD4hzUOtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010401d809ad$51e3b7a0$f5ab26e0$@staff.esc.net.au>

Hi Mark,

 

Try

telnet route-views.optus.net.au

 

route-views.optus.net.au>sh ip bgp 103.136.10.0/24

BGP routing table entry for 103.136.10.0/24, version 1348785138

Paths: (5 available, best #3, table default)

  Not advertised to any peer

  7474 16509

    192.65.89.161 from 192.65.89.161 (192.65.89.161)

      Origin IGP, metric 1, localpref 100, valid, external

      Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607 7474:5004

  7474 16509

    203.202.143.34 from 203.202.143.34 (203.202.143.34)

      Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external

      Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607 7474:5004

  7474 16509

    203.202.143.33 from 203.202.143.33 (203.202.143.33)

      Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external, best

      Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607 7474:5004

  7474 16509

    203.13.132.7 from 203.13.132.7 (172.26.34.14)

      Origin IGP, metric 10, localpref 100, valid, external

      Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607 7474:5004

  7474 16509

    202.139.124.130 from 202.139.124.130 (202.139.124.130)

      Origin IGP, metric 1, localpref 100, valid, external

      Community: 7474:1206 7474:1216 7474:1600 7474:1607 7474:5004

route-views.optus.net.au>

 

From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Mark Anthony Delfin
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2022 6:45 AM
To: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] IP Subnet not accessible from Optus

 

Hi List, 

 

I apologised for sending it on a Saturday morning.  Just checking if there is someone from Optus here.  For the past 3-4 days,  103.136.10.0/24 <http://103.136.10.0/24>  (APNIC, BYOIP'ed to AWS) is not accessible from Optus mobiles.  http://looking-glass.optus.net.au/ doesn't seem to work.

 

Thank you 

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From mark at delfin.me  Sat Jan 15 13:40:53 2022
From: mark at delfin.me (Mark Anthony Delfin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:40:53 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] IP Subnet not accessible from Optus
In-Reply-To: <010401d809ad$51e3b7a0$f5ab26e0$@staff.esc.net.au>
References: <CADAvG3JESu=NVf-NFafZatiKD6S7bqBBCHpoREZycHD4hzUOtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <010401d809ad$51e3b7a0$f5ab26e0$@staff.esc.net.au>
Message-ID: <CADAvG3KTgUtYgdYZBtwfnnw=oj2btHUWrwp8Mn6u4KrTxUKvig@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Stavros.

Looks like one of our supplier started to propagate it again after asking
them to remove it two years ago.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Stavros Patiniotis <
stavros at staff.esc.net.au> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
>
>
> Try
>
> telnet route-views.optus.net.au
>
>
>
> route-views.optus.net.au>sh ip bgp 103.136.10.0/24
>
> BGP routing table entry for 103.136.10.0/24, version 1348785138
>
> Paths: (5 available, best #3, table default)
>
>   Not advertised to any peer
>
>   7474 16509
>
>     192.65.89.161 from 192.65.89.161 (192.65.89.161)
>
>       Origin IGP, metric 1, localpref 100, valid, external
>
>       Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607
> 7474:5004
>
>   7474 16509
>
>     203.202.143.34 from 203.202.143.34 (203.202.143.34)
>
>       Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external
>
>       Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607
> 7474:5004
>
>   7474 16509
>
>     203.202.143.33 from 203.202.143.33 (203.202.143.33)
>
>       Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external, best
>
>       Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607
> 7474:5004
>
>   7474 16509
>
>     203.13.132.7 from 203.13.132.7 (172.26.34.14)
>
>       Origin IGP, metric 10, localpref 100, valid, external
>
>       Community: 7474:1202 7474:1222 7474:1525 7474:1600 7474:1607
> 7474:5004
>
>   7474 16509
>
>     202.139.124.130 from 202.139.124.130 (202.139.124.130)
>
>       Origin IGP, metric 1, localpref 100, valid, external
>
>       Community: 7474:1206 7474:1216 7474:1600 7474:1607 7474:5004
>
> route-views.optus.net.au>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Mark
> Anthony Delfin
> *Sent:* Saturday, 15 January 2022 6:45 AM
> *To:* <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] IP Subnet not accessible from Optus
>
>
>
> Hi List,
>
>
>
> I apologised for sending it on a Saturday morning.  Just checking if there
> is someone from Optus here.  For the past 3-4 days,  103.136.10.0/24
> (APNIC, BYOIP'ed to AWS) is not accessible from Optus mobiles.
> http://looking-glass.optus.net.au/ doesn't seem to work.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
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From narellec at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 15:11:27 2022
From: narellec at gmail.com (Narelle Clark)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:11:27 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown
In-Reply-To: <ME3PR01MB6878D7B869E38BB2667BFE9BFD539@ME3PR01MB6878.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <ME3PR01MB6878D7B869E38BB2667BFE9BFD539@ME3PR01MB6878.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACRMD1EYk3T_JRUpuCZ7m-y7=YsNaL2o192v6Fi8fDGjzbY1Dw@mail.gmail.com>

The ACCC inquiry just published its report on the shutdown of wholesale
ADSL with a date of 30 June 2024.

IAA submitted on this saying extra time was needed. You're welcome.


Narelle

On Thu, 13 Jan. 2022, 7:56 pm Chad Kelly, <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Just on this, aren?t Telstra shutting down the ADSL and ADSL 2 networks
> at some point in the next few years?
>
> Also I don?t think you can sell Dial up connections through Telstra
> anymore.
>
> 2015 they stopped selling it retail so if your still using it for some
> limited services find a better solution.
>
> ISDN lines were old when ADSL came out so it makes sense Telstra is
> getting rid of them.
>
> In most of the areas where you needed ISDN Fibre should be available
> either through Telstra, TPG / AAPT or NBN EE. Which will be far more
> superior.
>
> Only issues would be in really remote parts of Australia where Starlink
> isn?t an option due to no mobile coverage and large trees etc.
>
> That leaves SkyMuster which is a bit hit and miss.
>
> Also not much good for voice I mean its doable but I wouldn?t want to use
> voice services over SkyMuster day in day out unless no other option was
> available.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chad Kelly
>
> Manager
>
> CPK Web Services
>
> Phone 03 52730246
>
> Web https://www.cpkws.com.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chris at thesysadmin.dev  Sun Jan 16 12:41:04 2022
From: chris at thesysadmin.dev (Christopher Hawker)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 01:41:04 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Superloop NBN Outage
Message-ID: <SYBP282MB053837675A9C2AC90D60E510AF569@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello all,

There's an apparent outage affecting Superloop customers connecting to the 2NEW POI. Their client portal lists the severity as low (not sure how that determination is made) and the notification provides absolutely no information regarding what caused it or an ETA.

The disruption ID is 991D0. Would anyone please be able to shed some light on this?

Thanks,
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From markzzzsmith at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 13:35:08 2022
From: markzzzsmith at gmail.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:35:08 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Superloop NBN Outage
In-Reply-To: <SYBP282MB053837675A9C2AC90D60E510AF569@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SYBP282MB053837675A9C2AC90D60E510AF569@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAO42Z2zU84eQU9r00T=028z8-S9aFJGjDLVJdpOAZxAV1VZCGw@mail.gmail.com>

Contact their customer support.

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022, 12:41 Christopher Hawker, <chris at thesysadmin.dev>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> There's an apparent outage affecting Superloop customers connecting to the
> 2NEW POI. Their client portal lists the severity as low (not sure how that
> determination is made) and the notification provides absolutely no
> information regarding what caused it or an ETA.
>
> The disruption ID is 991D0. Would anyone please be able to shed some light
> on this?
>
> Thanks,
> CH
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From email at chrishawker.com.au  Sun Jan 16 13:47:40 2022
From: email at chrishawker.com.au (Christopher Hawker)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:47:40 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] Superloop NBN Outage
In-Reply-To: <CAO42Z2zU84eQU9r00T=028z8-S9aFJGjDLVJdpOAZxAV1VZCGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO42Z2zU84eQU9r00T=028z8-S9aFJGjDLVJdpOAZxAV1VZCGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59B8A19B-614B-41EE-9B24-49AF56E63D28@chrishawker.com.au>

Mark,

Already did that, that?s the first thing I did. Received the usual ?unplanned outage, no information available, no ETA available? spiel. The NBNco website was able to give me more information (albeit very basic information) than the Superloop operator was. Given the outage has been going on for almost 6 hours someone would know something.

Hence my call for help here. If anyone knows or has any more detail it?d be a big help as I?m managing a few services that are offline.

I also know that this list goes to 1000?s of people so unless you possess any relevant information to the question at hand, then please reply off-list. I do have a chuckle at some of the trivial replies.

CH

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Jan 2022, at 1:35 pm, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Contact their customer support.
> 
>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022, 12:41 Christopher Hawker, <chris at thesysadmin.dev> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> There's an apparent outage affecting Superloop customers connecting to the 2NEW POI. Their client portal lists the severity as low (not sure how that determination is made) and the notification provides absolutely no information regarding what caused it or an ETA.
>> 
>> The disruption ID is 991D0. Would anyone please be able to shed some light on this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> CH
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusNOG mailing list
>> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
> _______________________________________________
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From jaedwards at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 14:30:36 2022
From: jaedwards at gmail.com (John Edwards)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 14:00:36 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] Superloop NBN Outage
In-Reply-To: <SYBP282MB053837675A9C2AC90D60E510AF569@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SYBP282MB053837675A9C2AC90D60E510AF569@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAOSsYkpurQhw+y_=_X-jcDpMzr53f_9UD_vHebVFYaazLfUXTQ@mail.gmail.com>

One way to get information about an outage at a particular NBN POI is to
drive to the POI location and look for the logos on the vans attending to
the fault. If it's a fibre cut, then someone has to go there to connect the
OTDR, usually in a high-roof splicing van.

If there are no vans, or the techs are packing up to leave, then you also
have an update on what's happening.

None of this is likely to resolve the fault any quicker, but if you like to
troubleshoot via the OSI model then layer 1 of national networks usually
involves a vehicle attending a location.

John




On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 12:11, Christopher Hawker <chris at thesysadmin.dev>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> There's an apparent outage affecting Superloop customers connecting to the
> 2NEW POI. Their client portal lists the severity as low (not sure how that
> determination is made) and the notification provides absolutely no
> information regarding what caused it or an ETA.
>
> The disruption ID is 991D0. Would anyone please be able to shed some light
> on this?
>
> Thanks,
> CH
> _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Mon Jan 17 13:41:58 2022
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:41:58 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Superloop NBN Outage
In-Reply-To: <59B8A19B-614B-41EE-9B24-49AF56E63D28@chrishawker.com.au>
References: <CAO42Z2zU84eQU9r00T=028z8-S9aFJGjDLVJdpOAZxAV1VZCGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <59B8A19B-614B-41EE-9B24-49AF56E63D28@chrishawker.com.au>
Message-ID: <af7477c80ae0ea712a5311ee3939fd4b@ausics.net>

the problem is you posted this to a network operators list, however that 
seems to have gone to shit in recent years, I think the list you're 
looking for is user at whingepool.dev.null

On 16/01/2022 12:47, Christopher Hawker wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> Already did that, that's the first thing I did. Received the usual 
> "unplanned outage, no information available, no ETA available" spiel. 
> The NBNco website was able to give me more information (albeit very 
> basic information) than the Superloop operator was. Given the outage 
> has been going on for almost 6 hours someone would know something.
> 
> Hence my call for help here. If anyone knows or has any more detail 
> it'd be a big help as I'm managing a few services that are offline.
> 
> I also know that this list goes to 1000's of people so unless you 
> possess any relevant information to the question at hand, then please 
> reply off-list. I do have a chuckle at some of the trivial replies.
> 
> CH
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Jan 2022, at 1:35 pm, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Contact their customer support.
> 
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022, 12:41 Christopher Hawker, <chris at thesysadmin.dev> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> There's an apparent outage affecting Superloop customers connecting to 
> the 2NEW POI. Their client portal lists the severity as low (not sure 
> how that determination is made) and the notification provides 
> absolutely no information regarding what caused it or an ETA.
> 
> The disruption ID is 991D0. Would anyone please be able to shed some 
> light on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> CH _______________________________________________
> AusNOG mailing list
> AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog 
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From torres.73a at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 19:56:18 2022
From: torres.73a at gmail.com (Wilkinson, Alex)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:56:18 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] The Case For Corporate Web Proxies ... ?
Message-ID: <20220117085618.xkcb36jb3pargid2@doghouse>

Hi all,

Just looking for opinions here. In this day and age with next gen firewalls such
as Pal Altos' etc are there any strong arguments to continue to use a web proxy
such a Bluecoat ?

    -Alex

From Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au  Mon Jan 17 20:13:53 2022
From: Steven.Waite at comtel.com.au (Steven Waite)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 09:13:53 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] The Case For Corporate Web Proxies ... ?
In-Reply-To: <20220117085618.xkcb36jb3pargid2@doghouse>
References: <20220117085618.xkcb36jb3pargid2@doghouse>
Message-ID: <9e6f19572ac7454bbe609129c1750b67@comtel.com.au>

On tin SSL proxy can have performance issues also now with a lot of vendors like apple not liking any form of SSL inspection and with CND's outside of the 17/8 address space its becoming hard work. Out of most of the treats I have seen the last few months have all been SSL based.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Wilkinson, Alex
Sent: Monday, 17 January 2022 6:56 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] The Case For Corporate Web Proxies ... ?

Hi all,

Just looking for opinions here. In this day and age with next gen firewalls such as Pal Altos' etc are there any strong arguments to continue to use a web proxy such a Bluecoat ?

    -Alex
_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog

From mrp at mrp.net  Mon Jan 17 20:46:04 2022
From: mrp at mrp.net (Mark Prior)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:16:04 +1030
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <ed134fa39251de3d91da6c61f36ecb85ae688cc9.camel@biplane.com.au>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <83503A74-64FB-4A74-8B40-C903BEB9AEB5@mmc.com.au>
 <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB252057030FFCD952EB789F82DB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CAO47Hpf3xwLkC=_6es1=_1JW491fSeoe_w=Z3iw9O15xzZ-v9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <MEYP282MB252028E6FDBA584E1C871623DB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <SG2PR03MB4424A39FF8F06CBB9E5B6E40AD539@SG2PR03MB4424.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <ed134fa39251de3d91da6c61f36ecb85ae688cc9.camel@biplane.com.au>
Message-ID: <8dbe27f6-89fd-6424-9f9c-2a232d94e9e1@mrp.net>

On 13/1/22 18:11, Karl Auer wrote:

> Internet fax would be nice - fax machines with publicly reachable IP
> addresses, protected by SSL, that just print whatever page is sent to
> them. Some form of authentication would be essential of course :-)

Back in the dark ages there was

<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2305>

and I think Marshall T Rose run a domain where you could register your 
fax machines, label was the phone number if I recall correctly.

Mark.


From glenn.satchell at uniq.com.au  Mon Jan 17 23:15:08 2022
From: glenn.satchell at uniq.com.au (Glenn Satchell)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:15:08 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] The Case For Corporate Web Proxies ... ?
In-Reply-To: <9e6f19572ac7454bbe609129c1750b67@comtel.com.au>
References: <20220117085618.xkcb36jb3pargid2@doghouse>
 <9e6f19572ac7454bbe609129c1750b67@comtel.com.au>
Message-ID: <93c92e52e91ec225dc7d50b43f7a48cd@uniq.com.au>

Hi Alex

If you run an honest proxy that doesn't decode SSL, then there's a 
significantly reduced amount of data to be cached as more and more sites 
move to SSL.

If you run a proxy to "protect" your users from undesirable content, 
then you are already losing - the users can just turn on their mobile 
data to see any content you might block.

Having said that I have run a Squid proxy at home to restrict the times 
that my kids can access the net. Up to 56k dial up and ADSL 1 it 
provided some performance improvements and saved a bit on my data cap. 
But it's a losing race and I am slowly removing the restrictions.

So I think the days of the corporate proxy are rapidly disappearing.

regards,
Glenn

On 2022-01-17 20:13, Steven Waite wrote:
> On tin SSL proxy can have performance issues also now with a lot of
> vendors like apple not liking any form of SSL inspection and with
> CND's outside of the 17/8 address space its becoming hard work. Out of
> most of the treats I have seen the last few months have all been SSL
> based.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Wilkinson, 
> Alex
> Sent: Monday, 17 January 2022 6:56 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] The Case For Corporate Web Proxies ... ?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just looking for opinions here. In this day and age with next gen
> firewalls such as Pal Altos' etc are there any strong arguments to
> continue to use a web proxy such a Bluecoat ?
> 
>     -Alex
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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Tue Jan 18 00:27:31 2022
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 23:27:31 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Superloop NBN Outage
In-Reply-To: <SYBP282MB053850D8830B5632ACC65C09AF579@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CAO42Z2zU84eQU9r00T=028z8-S9aFJGjDLVJdpOAZxAV1VZCGw@mail.gmail.com>
 <59B8A19B-614B-41EE-9B24-49AF56E63D28@chrishawker.com.au>
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 <SYBP282MB053850D8830B5632ACC65C09AF579@SYBP282MB0538.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <80435775b39e79268686d704a628b065@ausics.net>

Your post comes as an end user, very simple.

On 17/01/2022 23:02, Christopher Hawker wrote:

> I don't think you understood the context of the post Noel. Definitely 
> not looking for Whingepool. You're right, these groups have gone to 
> shit due to people replying with useless garbage that has no relevance 
> to the question being asked (refer to your last e-mail).

when your OT expect to be called out

> For the record, I do operate a network. Whether you own the 
> infrastructure the network operates over, the type of network, the end 
> user, all of that is irrelevant. I operate networks on behalf of my 
> clients. As you may or may not know, AusNOG is here for
> network operators to assist one another, not strictly "I am sending 
> routes to Peer B however they are not sending back" type questions 
> which may be news to you.

Actually sonny, yes, as I've been on this list since day dot, having, 
like a few long time regulars here, come over from the 'ol aussie list 
run by Andy at the time, and that's exactly what it is supposed to be

and I don't recall the board ever changing that, of course if they did 
and I missed it, no doubt Dave will let me know

> One final question - if the group has gone to shit, why are you still 
> here?

I have asked myself that question a few times when I read whingepool 
like posts

> CH.
> 
> PS: Thanks for the laugh, I needed it ?
> 
> -------------------------
> 
> the problem is you posted this to a network operators list, however 
> that seems to have gone to shit in recent years, I think the list 
> you're looking for is user at whingepool.dev.null
> 
>> 

-- 
Regards,
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From gih902 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 05:17:39 2022
From: gih902 at gmail.com (Geoff Huston)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 05:17:39 +1100
Subject: [AusNOG] ISDN shutdown 31 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <8dbe27f6-89fd-6424-9f9c-2a232d94e9e1@mrp.net>
References: <7e96c051-7288-ca0b-8d5e-c276b892088b@traverse.com.au>
 <MEYP282MB2520906CF3F90CF2BFB35D6FDB539@MEYP282MB2520.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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 <516649fa11194870940df79ff96b5bd1@comtel.com.au>
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https://museum.media.org/invisible.net/project/tpc.int.html

Carl Malamud was behind this in 1993 - you did not need to register anything - the entire E.164 number space was mapped into tpc.int Given that at the time the phone companies were making almost all their long distance revenues from faxes it was an early effort to bypass their monopoly. We ran a fax printing service for +61 at the time and we accepted incoming faxes and resent it as a ?real? fax to the domestic number. We (Peter Elford and myself) thought it was mildly amusing at the time.

Geoff

> On 17 Jan 2022, at 8:46 pm, Mark Prior <mrp at mrp.net> wrote:
> 
> On 13/1/22 18:11, Karl Auer wrote:
> 
>> Internet fax would be nice - fax machines with publicly reachable IP
>> addresses, protected by SSL, that just print whatever page is sent to
>> them. Some form of authentication would be essential of course :-)
> 
> Back in the dark ages there was
> 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2305>
> 
> and I think Marshall T Rose run a domain where you could register your fax machines, label was the phone number if I recall correctly.
> 
> Mark.
> 
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From Nick.Podmore at marchnet.com.au  Tue Jan 18 12:00:30 2022
From: Nick.Podmore at marchnet.com.au (Nick Podmore)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 01:00:30 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Dying Gasp on Cisco C1111 Router
Message-ID: <SYBP282MB3621EA06B82B3C324E04AFFFCA589@SYBP282MB3621.AUSP282.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi All,

Getting conflicting information from Cisco so looking for real world experience from others.

Does anyone know if the Cisco C1100 series of ISR Routers supports Dying Gasp on Power Loss / Reload?

Alternatively, has anyone been able to get it working on one of these devices?

Kind Regards,

Nick Podmore
Network Engineer
P:     1300 627 244
M:     0433 832 668
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From david at hughes.id  Tue Jan 18 12:09:22 2022
From: david at hughes.id (david at hughes.id)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:09:22 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] A Network Operator (was: Superloop NBN Outage)
In-Reply-To: <80435775b39e79268686d704a628b065@ausics.net>
References: <CAO42Z2zU84eQU9r00T=028z8-S9aFJGjDLVJdpOAZxAV1VZCGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Regarding the disagreement in the original thread about our definition of a "Network Operator", please let me have a go at providing some clarity.

If you simply purchase network link(s) from a provider on a retail basis then in the context of AusNOG you are an "end user".  Perhaps you are a sophisticated end user or even a reseller, but an end user none the less.  I appreciate that some people may purchase multiple retail links to form some connectivity between locations, but that would still be a customer of a network operator.

A network operator is responsible for the actual carriage of data during all or part of it's journey from the source to the destination.  Carriage Service Providers (such as VoIP providers and non-carrier ISPs) are viewed as Network Operators in our context as they are responsible for traffic as it passes through their infrastructure from the source and / or destination carrier networks.

That said, we do have many, many "end users" on the list who see great value in the content and the visibility into the operation and availability of our nation's networks.  They are most welcome on the list but clearly questions about individual retail services would be better asked of the provider selling the service.

And if you wish to debate this then please do so off-list.  Hopefully that won't be necessary, but it certainly wouldn't add value for the thousands of people on the list.


Regards,

David
...

> On 17 Jan 2022, at 11:27 pm, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
> 
> Your post comes as an end user, very simple.
> 
> On 17/01/2022 23:02, Christopher Hawker wrote:
> 
>> I don't think you understood the context of the post Noel. Definitely not looking for Whingepool. You're right, these groups have gone to shit due to people replying with useless garbage that has no relevance to the question being asked (refer to your last e-mail).
>>  
>  
> when your OT expect to be called out
>  
>> For the record, I do operate a network. Whether you own the infrastructure the network operates over, the type of network, the end user, all of that is irrelevant. I operate networks on behalf of my clients. As you may or may not know, AusNOG is here for
>> network operators to assist one another, not strictly "I am sending routes to Peer B however they are not sending back" type questions which may be news to you.
>>  
>  
> Actually sonny, yes, as I've been on this list since day dot, having, like a few long time regulars here, come over from the 'ol aussie list run by Andy at the time, and that's exactly what it is supposed to be
>  
> and I don't recall the board ever changing that, of course if they did and I missed it, no doubt Dave will let me know
>  
>  
>> One final question - if the group has gone to shit, why are you still here?
>  
> I have asked myself that question a few times when I read whingepool like posts
>  
>> CH.
>>  
>> PS: Thanks for the laugh, I needed it ?
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> the problem is you posted this to a network operators list, however that seems to have gone to shit in recent years, I think the list you're looking for is user at whingepool.dev.null <mailto:user at whingepool.dev.null>
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Noel Butler
> 
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From brad at bradleyamm.com  Tue Jan 18 17:11:27 2022
From: brad at bradleyamm.com (Bradley Amm)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 06:11:27 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Wireless P2P Between Building and Donga about 50m apart
Message-ID: <1642486203031.48361@bradleyamm.com>

Hey


Does anyone know anyone in Karratha that can do a wireless p2p between 2 buildings in Karratha.

Cant lay cable now as the yard is concreted over, and now need to extend a separate NBN to a donga?.


?

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From mitchkelly24 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 17:26:31 2022
From: mitchkelly24 at gmail.com (Mitch Kelly)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:26:31 +0800
Subject: [AusNOG] Wireless P2P Between Building and Donga about 50m apart
In-Reply-To: <1642486203031.48361@bradleyamm.com>
References: <1642486203031.48361@bradleyamm.com>
Message-ID: <CAKZcER5YuW=ZiSUr0nX4awi4OfgoQDPA=t59wuCPo6WDQRc_Ng@mail.gmail.com>

NW Communications / Northwest

Have used before and would recommend again.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:13 PM Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:

> Hey
>
>
> Does anyone know anyone in Karratha that can do a wireless p2p between 2
> buildings in Karratha.
>
> Cant lay cable now as the yard is concreted over, and now need to extend a
> separate NBN to a donga?.
>
>
> ?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au  Wed Jan 19 16:37:35 2022
From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 05:37:35 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Challenge with SQL Replication over multiple carriers
Message-ID: <af5f5e680b434a75a759e3c23fcf9e9a@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>

Hello Noggers,

I have a handful of customers with SQL replication issues over 2 separate transit links between Sydney and Melbourne.

Looking to see if anyone here has experienced something similar or could potentially shed some light, perhaps more on my carrier configuration and traffic preferencing.

We have 2x 10GBps interfaces in 2 separate datacentres for transit across 2 carriers. This link carries SQL replication.

It appears when we are using 1 carrier link, everything seems fine and traffic replicates normally.

However, when we balance between 2 carriers, into the same networks, we start seeing issues.

Connections are working, I can telnet, ICMP, etc, however when we start sending large packets we see semaphore timeout errors.

To me it points to TCPOffload, however that's all disabled and I can see no incorrect packets, etc at both sides.

I have even tried routing the SQL traffic over a different network within the same BGP sessions, which works for a while, then eventually starts barfing with semaphore timeout issues.

My question is with traffic preferencing, is there anything special I need to do when using multiple carriers at the same time for the same networks ?

Happy to hear input and suggestions, off list would be better. I am happy to publish what steps were taken.

Many thanks

Darren.
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From Roland.Dobbins at netscout.com  Wed Jan 19 18:00:48 2022
From: Roland.Dobbins at netscout.com (Dobbins, Roland)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 07:00:48 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Challenge with SQL Replication over multiple carriers
In-Reply-To: <af5f5e680b434a75a759e3c23fcf9e9a@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
References: <af5f5e680b434a75a759e3c23fcf9e9a@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>
Message-ID: <3FE92380-73B9-472E-B334-269CD0920C00@netscout.com>



> On Jan 19, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Darren Moss <Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I have a handful of customers with SQL replication issues over 2 separate transit links between Sydney and Melbourne.

One should think that this sort of application would be more suitable for a WAN link or private MPLS VPN rather than attempting it over the public Internet . . . 

------------------------------------------
Roland Dobbins <roland.dobbins at netscout.com>


From Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au  Wed Jan 19 19:28:21 2022
From: Darren.Moss at cloud365.com.au (Darren Moss)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:28:21 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Challenge with SQL Replication over multiple carriers
 - Thank you
Message-ID: <f93b1a31fe2b4d51896a29d746fe7e75@mbx05.ap.myhostedexchange.email>

Thank you AUSNOG community for all the replies, I appreciate all the input and suggestions.

I've narrowed this down to a carrier issue as when we preference away the problem goes away.

I will follow up and sort.

Thanks again.

Darren.


From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> On Behalf Of Darren Moss
Sent: Wednesday, 19 January 2022 4:38 PM
To: AusNOG Mailing List <ausnog at ausnog.net>
Subject: [AusNOG] Challenge with SQL Replication over multiple carriers

Hello Noggers,

I have a handful of customers with SQL replication issues over 2 separate transit links between Sydney and Melbourne.

Looking to see if anyone here has experienced something similar or could potentially shed some light, perhaps more on my carrier configuration and traffic preferencing.

We have 2x 10GBps interfaces in 2 separate datacentres for transit across 2 carriers. This link carries SQL replication.

It appears when we are using 1 carrier link, everything seems fine and traffic replicates normally.

However, when we balance between 2 carriers, into the same networks, we start seeing issues.

Connections are working, I can telnet, ICMP, etc, however when we start sending large packets we see semaphore timeout errors.

To me it points to TCPOffload, however that's all disabled and I can see no incorrect packets, etc at both sides.

I have even tried routing the SQL traffic over a different network within the same BGP sessions, which works for a while, then eventually starts barfing with semaphore timeout issues.

My question is with traffic preferencing, is there anything special I need to do when using multiple carriers at the same time for the same networks ?

Happy to hear input and suggestions, off list would be better. I am happy to publish what steps were taken.

Many thanks

Darren.
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From romislam at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 14:26:29 2022
From: romislam at gmail.com (Roman Islam)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:26:29 +1000
Subject: [AusNOG] Is Vodafone network down at South West of Brisbane?
Message-ID: <CAGfMMhxe-FdW4abcUEfbH4mrbtiZRMO-Do3AnC36nHByd2LW=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nogers,

Is there any known incident of Vodafone outage around south side of Ipswich
(Springfield Central, RIpley) area?

Several of 4G SIM card showing no Internet since this morning.

-R
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From amathieson at completetel.com.au  Mon Jan 24 14:40:53 2022
From: amathieson at completetel.com.au (Andrew Mathieson (CompleteTel))
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 03:40:53 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Is Vodafone network down at South West of Brisbane?
In-Reply-To: <CAGfMMhxe-FdW4abcUEfbH4mrbtiZRMO-Do3AnC36nHByd2LW=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGfMMhxe-FdW4abcUEfbH4mrbtiZRMO-Do3AnC36nHByd2LW=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <972A8701-3FBF-4F8E-B609-127C6CC65E83@completetel.com.au>

Hey Roman

I have had two clients this morning also reporting similar issues

Kind Regards

Andrew Mathieson-Blakely
Senior Technical Engineer
CompleteTel

80 Rushdale Street
KNOXFIELD VIC 3180

Phone:  1300 413 989

Web:    http://www.completetel.com.au
Email:   amathieson at completetel.com.au

Confidentiality: This email is from Together IT. The contents are confidential and may be protected by legal professional privilege. The contents are intended only for the named recipient of this email. If the reader of this email is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, reproduction, disclosure or distribution of the information contained in the email is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please reply to us immediately and delete the document.


Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Jan 2022, at 1:27 pm, Roman Islam <romislam at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Nogers,
> 
> Is there any known incident of Vodafone outage around south side of Ipswich (Springfield Central, RIpley) area?
> 
> Several of 4G SIM card showing no Internet since this morning.  
> 
> -R 
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From amathieson at completetel.com.au  Mon Jan 24 14:42:29 2022
From: amathieson at completetel.com.au (Andrew Mathieson (CompleteTel))
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 03:42:29 +0000
Subject: [AusNOG] Is Vodafone network down at South West of Brisbane?
In-Reply-To: <CAGfMMhxe-FdW4abcUEfbH4mrbtiZRMO-Do3AnC36nHByd2LW=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGfMMhxe-FdW4abcUEfbH4mrbtiZRMO-Do3AnC36nHByd2LW=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99ADB51E-3A1D-4AD9-9F33-68792C141DE9@completetel.com.au>

Just had the following back from Vodafone

Unexpected Maintenance
Status

In progress

Ref

I14002692

Description

Our technicians are currently working on an unexpected network issue in this area. We apologise for any inconvenience and we're hoping to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Voice calls, text messages and data services may be affected.

Time affected

3AM 24/01/2022

Kind Regards

Andrew Mathieson-Blakely
Senior Technical Engineer
CompleteTel

80 Rushdale Street
KNOXFIELD VIC 3180

Phone:  1300 413 989

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Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Jan 2022, at 1:27 pm, Roman Islam <romislam at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Hi Nogers,

Is there any known incident of Vodafone outage around south side of Ipswich (Springfield Central, RIpley) area?

Several of 4G SIM card showing no Internet since this morning.

-R
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