[AusNOG] More legislative interventions

Wed Apr 10 11:59:49 EST 2019

1 - Remove specified file based content and similar copies - doable, and
reckless if not actioned by hosting providers.

2 - Proactively remove unspecified content of abhorrent violent nature -
difficult, not reliable, and moot whether required under the legislation
for hosting providers. Arguably sets a standard above recklessness for
hosting providers. Likely required under the act for social media but not
for hosting providers. Make it a condition of terms of use, and the issue
goes away, imo.

I am not a lawyer. This is not expert advice.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 11:55, Scott Wilson <siridar at gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel like legislation will compel tech companies to implement human
> screening in some capacity, and there will be huge downsides to that - I
> mean, which is more likely:
>
> a) screening team members are offered abundant mental health support
> resources, given follow-through on reporting (that video you flagged last
> year resulted in a conviction and a jail sentence, congratulations!) and
> are limited to short periods...
>
> or:
>
> b) screening team members are a minimum wage disposable/contractor/gig
> economy workforce, desperate for any income, performance tracked to the
> extreme (we require 55 minutes of video content viewed per hour) and
> discarded when they inevitably burn out?
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 11:45, Nick Stallman <nick at agentpoint.com> wrote:
>
>> I didn't know Tineye could tell if an image was violent or not.
>>
>> The existing systems work for copyright purposes, finding a similar match.
>> This works to some extent currently, and can handle recompression,
>> scaling, etc...
>> It falls apart when an adversary wants to get around it however.
>>
>> But for the case that this legislation is targeting, i.e. taking down
>> violent video, fingerprinting is useless.
>> It's brand new content - completely impossible to detect in advance.
>> You can only remove the content after it's been distributed for quite
>> some time, not pre-emptively which is what the politicians want.
>>
>> On 10/4/19 11:16 am, Paul Wilkins wrote:
>> > https://tineye.com/search/f274c3b49edcca9a6d83994a43629445a5ea5a23/
>> >
>> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 11:12, Matt Palmer <mpalmer at hezmatt.org
>> > <mailto:mpalmer at hezmatt.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:56:12AM +1000, Paul Wilkins wrote:
>> >     > Now I would say that for instance, if the eSecurity Director
>> >     posts the CRC
>> >     > of a file as being "abhorrent violent" content, and your company
>> >     doesn't
>> >     > expeditiously take down that material, expect problems down the
>> >     pike. I
>> >     > doubt a CRC check alone is sufficient.
>> >
>> >     Given that a CRC changes if you modify any bit of the file, and
>> >     common CRC
>> >     implementations have a space of either 16 or 32 bits (65,536 and
>> >     ~4 billion
>> >     possible values, respectively), "insufficient" doesn't even begin to
>> >     describe such a scheme.
>> >
>> >     > I'd say a fingerprinting system to
>> >     > match altered copies of the subject file should be implemented.
>> >
>> >     Once again with this magical "figerprinting" scheme.  Nothing like
>> >     what
>> >     you're describing actually exists.  Further, there's no point in
>> each
>> >     company coming up with their own scheme for calculating this magical
>> >     fingerprint, because if the eSecurity Director wants to say "take
>> down
>> >     everything like this fingerprint" they have to use the *same*
>> >     scheme to come
>> >     up with the same fingerprint.
>> >
>> >     > It doesn't have to work in all cases.
>> >
>> >     It won't work in *any* case.
>> >
>> >     > I am not a lawyer. This is not expert advice.
>> >
>> >     Yes, I think that is quite evident.
>> >
>> >     - Matt
>> >
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