[AusNOG] HE Routing (not a joke)

[Nick Stallman]

A beancounter must have realised they had lots of unused Australia -> US 
capacity and decided they wanted to make some profit from it.


On 16/05/18 09:29, Pieter Berkel wrote:
> Fair -- but where does "bits we both end up paying for" fit into that 
> spectrum?
>
>
> On 16 May 2018 at 09:25, McDonald Richards 
> <mcdonald.richards at gmail.com <mailto:mcdonald.richards at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     standard route policy: bits you pay me for > bits I get for free >
>     bits I pay for.
>
>     On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Pieter Berkel
>     <pieter.berkel at gmail.com <mailto:pieter.berkel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Matt and Gavin are right: this asymmetric routing seems to
>         only impacts providers that buy transit from HE in SJC (TPG
>         and Vocus being the two main ones I've noticed).  It would
>         appear from the below post that HE policy is to preference
>         transit over peering links (presuming that AS paths for both
>         are the same length?):
>
>         https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=233763&page_no=2#2006292
>         <https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=233763&page_no=2#2006292>
>
>         (Although I'm not quite sure how the reverse might break
>         routing, it might break their business model?).  I guess it's
>         up to Vocus & TPG to figure out how fix if it becomes a
>         problem for them.
>
>         Edwin: there is some merit to having a routable /48 to
>         experiment with, not sure if Internode supply that sort of
>         IPv6 subnet to ADSL customers?
>
>
>
>         On 16 May 2018 at 09:05, Dave Browning <dave at sentrian.com.au
>         <mailto:dave at sentrian.com.au>> wrote:
>
>             All good if on MegaIX SYD
>
>             Tracing route to tserv1.syd1.he.net
>             <http://tserv1.syd1.he.net> [216.218.142.50]
>             over a maximum of 30 hops:
>
>               1    <1 ms    <1 ms <1 ms
>             vl666.cr01.b1.bne.qld.au.sentrian.net.au
>             <http://vl666.cr01.b1.bne.qld.au.sentrian.net.au>
>             [103.226.9.138]
>             2    15 ms 16 ms
>             <https://maps.google.com/?q=2%C2%A0+%C2%A0+15+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+16+ms&entry=gmail&source=g> 
>               14 ms vl3.cr01.s1.syd.nsw.au.sentrian.net.au
>             <http://vl3.cr01.s1.syd.nsw.au.sentrian.net.au>
>             [103.226.9.245]
>             <https://maps.google.com/?q=245%5D+%0D%0A%C2%A0+3%C2%A0+%C2%A0+13+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+16+ms&entry=gmail&source=g>
>               3    13 ms    16 ms    14 ms as6939.sydney.megaport.com
>             <http://as6939.sydney.megaport.com> [103.26.68.236]
>             4    12 ms 19 ms
>             <https://maps.google.com/?q=4%C2%A0+%C2%A0+12+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+19+ms&entry=gmail&source=g> 
>               15 ms tserv1.syd1.he.net <http://tserv1.syd1.he.net>
>             [216.218.142.50]
>
>             Dave Browning | Network Engineer
>             P 1300 791 678
>             Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
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