[AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

Paul Wilkins paulwilkins369 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 20 10:55:39 EST 2018

"The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and
television, and cannot be regulated in the same way."

Because the internet is a public medium, unlike radio and television, you
don't require a license to publish content. The audience doesn't require a
license (unless you're the UK where you need a TV license). So the
regulatory domain is different. I expect coming down the track, crypto will
become a licensed technology, and you won't be able to get a certificate
without government approval. We should also remember that unlike radio and
television, the internet doesn't need only a regulatory regime, but also
needs to be policed.

This bill is pretty weak beer compared to what data retention was as far as
making inroads on the right to privacy, which ended up being very much
watered down to what it might have been but for strong public opposition.
Maintain the rage for when Barnaby Joyce proposes judicial wiretaps for
radio and television.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 at 16:57, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:

> This bill has nothing to do with content on Facebook (or websites run by
> content creators, or even websites at all).
> The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and
> television, and cannot be regulated in the same way.
> This bill should never pass.
> On Sat, 18 Aug. 2018, 4:51 pm Chad Kelly, <chad at cpkws.com.au> wrote:
>> On 8/18/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net wrote:
>> > Possible scenario:
>> >
>> > 3:00am Sunday morning, phone rings at the DC reception, is picked up by
>> > security. "Hi, we've never met. This is Paul Symon of ASIS. I'm sending
>> > some uniformed AFP officers over to sieze a number of servers. This call
>> > constitutes a verbal technical assistance notice, and non compliance
>> > carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment".
>> Given how most Datacentres work in this country I doubt this would happen.
>> You generally need to be escorted by security into the areas ware
>> equipment is housed and generally requests need to be made in writing
>> and an appointment needs to be booked.
>> You can't just walk in off the street, and you also need photo ID which
>> gets scanned and stored for a period of at least 12 months, when you
>> enter.
>> You can't even just walk into the DC as a customer, hell for some of
>> them you even need an induction before you can set foot in them.
>> If someone did try this the operator would just demand something in
>> writing and hang up the phone.
>> Also security don't take phone calls that would be the on call techs  job.
>> The UK 10 or 12 years ago doesn't really apply to Au law and it was
>> Verizon, who are a US company and they are now a lot larger then they
>> were 11 years ago and Publicly listed.
>> So I would suspect security at their facilities would be improved and a
>> lot of those providers are getting out of the DC space and partnering
>> with the likes of AWS anyway so they don't need to take responsibility
>> for hardware.
>> This bill has come about because of Facebook and them allowing video of
>> child abuse to remain on the platform.
>> If Facebook had been proactive and handed over the content to the AFP
>> and the FBI as well as all of the users details none of this would even
>> be being discussed.
>> The Internet needs regulation just like Radio and Television.
>> This bill should of been passed 20 years ago in reality.
>> Regards Chad.
>> --
>> Chad Kelly
>> Manager
>> CPK Web Services
>> Phone 03 5273 0246
>> Web www.cpkws.com.au
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