[AusNOG] 10GbE Switching Options
Matthew Moyle-Croft
mmc at mmc.com.au
Sun Jul 3 03:06:45 EST 2016
Arista letter to customers:
http://s2.q4cdn.com/209832288/files/doc_downloads/2016/CustomerLetterFromCEO.pdf
Comes down to private vlans and one internal issue. They’ve issued a new EOS which resolves this.
MMC
> On 30 Jun 2016, at 10:42 PM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
> Don't misunderstand. I LOVE Arista <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQAGDjh-FOU>. They are just a risk (whatever size) at the moment. I hope they come through it.
>
> But with the the Open Networking <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOYZ2nzkil4> revolution happening at the moment, Arista, Brocade and a few others are at risk. Hardware is consolidating in a big way (eg Brocade by Ruckus recently) and the Whitebox revolution is only just starting with Whitebox Switches. Routing will be at the end of the year, Firewalls and others mid next year... a lot of excitement coming.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Claudiu Claudiu <auclaudiu at gmail.com <mailto:auclaudiu at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Clearly important and big enough to create a stir.
> I encourage you to look beyond the FUD and into the actual merits of the solutions and decide for yourself why Arista is a threat to the establishment.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
> Look backwards... they've been saying things for how long now?
>
> They can say all they like, but in the end, there is a risk - maybe not a big one, because equipment will happily work as it does now.
>
> But that doesn't mean future releases of EOS might lose some features. If they have infringed (and I could care less if they have), then they won't be able to just do the same thing in another way... that what IP protects. So likely it will be a different feature people will have to move to - which will mean changes.
>
> Personally I think in the end Arista will disappear, be bought by someone - maybe Cisco, gutted, etc... that is the best play for them.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Alex Samad <alex at samad.com.au <mailto:alex at samad.com.au>> wrote:
> Doesn't she say they have mitigated the issues, so that they are no
> longer infringing ?
>
> I'm not a lawyer ..
>
> A
>
> On 1 July 2016 at 12:03, Skeeve Stevens
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com <mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
> > I would be nervous about anything Arista at the moment as Cisco bitch slaps
> > them in court and wins.
> >
> > This is only a few hours ago:
> > http://www.eweek.com/networking/arista-ceo-pens-letter-to-customers-in-wake-of-cisco-patent-decision.html <http://www.eweek.com/networking/arista-ceo-pens-letter-to-customers-in-wake-of-cisco-patent-decision.html>
> >
> > I wonder what tech they will take out of EOS to make them happy.
> >
> > NEXTDC's AXONVX was fully built on Arista - which I would be nervous about
> > from a strategic vendor relationship perspective and I would be diversifying
> > my vendor options as fast as I could, but I designed it that way, so it
> > shouldn't have an issue, especially since Cumulus has stepped up recently.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...Skeeve
> >
> > Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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> >
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> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Claudiu Claudiu <auclaudiu at gmail.com <mailto:auclaudiu at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Can't comment on price if that was the question,
> >> But Arista is quite popular in the DC space. Unmodified linux /extensible
> >> via RPMs, CLI.
> >> Programmable (Puppet, Ansible / Python, Go natively supported), HW VXLAN,
> >> mature L2/L3/Multicast stack, integration to VMware, Openstack etc.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Alex Samad <alex at samad.com.au <mailto:alex at samad.com.au>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> How do arista rate v's the mellanox ?
> >>>
> >>> A
> >>>
> >>> On 1 July 2016 at 10:53, Claudiu Claudiu <auclaudiu at gmail.com <mailto:auclaudiu at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > What about Arista?
> >>> >
> >>> > Arista 7050SX-64
> >>> >
> >>> > https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7050SX-128_64_Datasheet.pdf <https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7050SX-128_64_Datasheet.pdf>
> >>> >
> >>> > Or Arista 7280R - deep buffer platforms 10/25/40/50/100G (allow entire
> >>> > internet routing table in FIB, 1RU/2RU form factor):
> >>> > https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7280R-DataSheet.pdf <https://www.arista.com/assets/data/pdf/Datasheets/7280R-DataSheet.pdf>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Alex Huntington
> >>> > <Alex.Huntington at iriworldwide.com.au <mailto:Alex.Huntington at iriworldwide.com.au>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Guys!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thought I’d throw out a few questions and a request for some feedback
> >>> >> around some datacenter switching we are looking at. Currently each
> >>> >> server
> >>> >> has 6 10GbE NICs of which two are dedicated iSCSI that will run
> >>> >> through this
> >>> >> fabric.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The current requirement is to replace our 1000BaseT switching with
> >>> >> 10GbE
> >>> >> but the cost of SFP+ modules is an issue and currently twinax has been
> >>> >> rules
> >>> >> out due do cable management issues (don’t ask :/).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It would be nice to also standardise for our core also so routing is a
> >>> >> “nice to have” but not a requirement.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If we could get some decent or support 3rd party SFP+ modules for a
> >>> >> good
> >>> >> price it would make the Cisco/Brocade options much more attractive but
> >>> >> never
> >>> >> used the Startech or Netgear SFPs before & I’d like to avoid the
> >>> >> vendor
> >>> >> finger pointing games.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We are looking at the following
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Dell S4048-ON
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pros:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Cheap $60 SFP+
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Cheapest switch cost by 20-30%
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - All in one (no port or IP/routing licences required)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cons:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Different CLI in FTOS, another thing to learn/manage
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Brocade VDX 6490
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pros:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - ISCLI
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Vendor reputation
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cons
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - SFP+ price $300+
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Cost of additional port licences e.g. 24-48 port on demand
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cisco Nexus 3000/9000
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Pros:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Community support & KB/documentation
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Vendor reputation
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - Standardise vendor with all other network gear
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cons:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - SFP+ $1500+
> >>> >>
> >>> >> - IP Lite licence costs
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I’d love to hear your thoughts or experience, as I’m sure I’ve missed
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> few things!
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Cheeeeeers,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Alex
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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