[AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules

Mark Andrews marka at isc.org
Tue Dec 20 13:47:17 EST 2016


You would just be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The real questions are what happens when DNS blocks are shown to
be ineffective.  Is the court going to have to modify the orders.

Mark

In message <68076d38-e580-82d1-b631-4dee277092f9 at agentpoint.com>, Nick Stallman writes:
> 
> You could if you announced the /32 internally and had your own server 
> set up for the IP?
> 
> I wonder if a ISP (e.g. TPG) could be vindictive enough to make the 
> court's decision backfire deliberately?
> E.g. deliberately block the Cloudflare IP in line with the court's 
> recommendation, not bending the rules at all but doing it with the 
> intention that it'll affect other Cloudflare users and cause headlines 
> against the court decision?
> 
> Just like ASIC back-pedalled very quickly when it was exposed that they 
> blocked thousands of sites instead of just one.
> 
> The only thing stopping it is ISP's actually choosing to not affect 
> other Cloudflare users. The court decision allows for the worst case.
> 
> 
> On 20/12/16 13:06, Paul Wilkins wrote:
> > Furthermore, there is a requirement that blocked websites be 
> > redirected to a server displaying a notification of the block.
> >
> > So though IP blocking is mentioned in the court order as an available 
> > option, you cannot in fact comply in full with the court order via an 
> > IP blocking mechanism.
> >
> > I am not a lawyer. This is not expert opinion.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> > On 20 December 2016 at 12:59, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com 
> > <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     The ISP parties to the judgement have a choice, block by IP, DNS,
> >     or URI.
> >
> >     Now no one is going to block by URI or IP, when they can redirect
> >     from their DNS server. There is no responsibility to block DNS
> >     from 3rd party servers.
> >
> >     I am not a lawyer. This is not expert opinion.
> >
> >     Kind regards
> >
> >     Paul Wilkins
> >
> >     On 20 December 2016 at 12:43, Damien Gardner Jnr
> >     <rendrag at rendrag.net <mailto:rendrag at rendrag.net>> wrote:
> >
> >         Didn't the court order specifically say they were to do DNS
> >         blocking?  Why are there articles suggesting they are going to
> >         block cloudflare?  Just for shock value?
> >
> >         On 20 December 2016 at 12:42, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com
> >         <mailto:brad at bradleyamm.com>> wrote:
> >
> >             https://www.playerattack.com/news/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-pirate-bay-ban-massive-collate
> ral-damage/
> >             <https://www.playerattack.com/news/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-pirate-bay-ban-massive-collat
> eral-damage/>
> >
> >             *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> >             <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of
> >             *Jay Dixon
> >             *Sent:* Monday, 19 December 2016 7:23 AM
> >             *To:* Chris Ford
> >
> >
> >             *Cc:* ausnog at ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
> >             *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block
> >             The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal
> >             Court rules
> >
> >             i love that the byproduct of this court case is a
> >             comprehensive list of all the good torrent sites and mirrors.
> >
> >             On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Chris Ford
> >             <chris.ford at inaboxgroup.com.au
> >             <mailto:chris.ford at inaboxgroup.com.au>> wrote:
> >
> >             I've been following this here
> >             https://s115a.com/cases/current
> >             <https://s115a.com/cases/current>
> >
> >             From my skim of the lists the respondents to the actions
> >             all roll up to Telstra, Optus, Vocus or TPG). I didn't see
> >             any independent ISPs listed. So unless you are a group
> >             company of the Big 4 you won’t be a recipient of the
> >             orders, and if you are, I'm sure you are already well
> >             aware of what is going on.
> >
> >
> >             -----Original Message-----
> >             From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> >             <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of
> >             Mark Newton
> >             Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 2:41 PM
> >             To: Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net <mailto:ausnog at rossw.net>>
> >             Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
> >             Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block
> >             The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal
> >             Court rules
> >
> >             On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Ross Wheeler
> >             <ausnog at rossw.net <mailto:ausnog at rossw.net>> wrote:
> >             >
> >             > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, Nathan Brookfield wrote:
> >             >
> >             >> The Federal Court has ordered internet companies to
> >             block five copyright-infringing websites, including
> >             torrent website The Pirate Bay.
> >             >
> >             > So, the next questions are:
> >             > * who tells us ISPs officially, what we have to block?
> >
> >             A court order.
> >
> >             > * when do they tell us.
> >
> >             After you have been named as a respondent in a Federal
> >             Court action, and been presented with an order.
> >
> >             > * does it only apply to the big-few, or everyone?
> >
> >             It applies to everyone who is named as a respondent in a
> >             Federal Court action under s115a and has subsequently
> >             received a court order.
> >
> >             > * if the previous answer is "everyone", who do we bill,
> >             >   and do we have to "trust them" that it'll be paid, or can
> >             >   we just send them the bill and not do anything until
> >             it is?
> >
> >             The previous answer isn’t “everyone.” You bill the
> >             claimant. The payment conditions will be in the court order.
> >
> >             > The phrase "tilting at windmills" springs to mind.
> >
> >             Yes, pointless exercise. Training Australians to use
> >             evasion methods; once they’re doing that, further
> >             enforcement action is ineffective, so driving them in that
> >             direction is practically indistinguishable from saying,
> >             “Meh, don’t care anymore.”
> >
> >             The overwhelming response I’ve seen to yesterday’s action
> >             is, “LOL.” I’m encouraged by that.
> >
> >                - mark
> >
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>     <p>You could if you announced the /32 internally and had your own
>       server set up for the IP?</p>
>     <p>I wonder if a ISP (e.g. TPG) could be vindictive enough to make
>       the court's decision backfire deliberately?<br>
>       E.g. deliberately block the Cloudflare IP in line with the court's
>       recommendation, not bending the rules at all but doing it with the
>       intention that it'll affect other Cloudflare users and cause
>       headlines against the court decision?</p>
>     <p>Just like ASIC back-pedalled very quickly when it was exposed
>       that they blocked thousands of sites instead of just one.</p>
>     <p>The only thing stopping it is ISP's actually choosing to not
>       affect other Cloudflare users. The court decision allows for the
>       worst case.<br>
>     </p>
>     <br>
>     <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/12/16 13:06, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
>     </div>
>     <blockquote
> cite="mid:CAMmROTJGn52SHQQhPLhb2k2i2=MuEFONXz=LHPt+GYL9Gs=xKg at mail.gmail.com"
>       type="cite">
>       <div dir="ltr">
>         <div>
>           <div>
>             <div>
>               <div>Furthermore, there is a requirement that blocked
>                 websites be redirected to a server displaying a
>                 notification of the block.<br>
>                 <br>
>               </div>
>               So though IP blocking is mentioned in the court order as
>               an available option, you cannot in fact comply in full
>               with the court order via an IP blocking mechanism.<br>
>               <br>
>             </div>
>             I am not a lawyer. This is not expert opinion.<br>
>             <br>
>           </div>
>           Kind regards<br>
>           <br>
>         </div>
>         Paul Wilkins<br>
>       </div>
>       <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
>         <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 December 2016 at 12:59, Paul
>           Wilkins <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
>               href="mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369 at gmail.com</a>><
> /span>
>           wrote:<br>
>           <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
>             .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
>             <div dir="ltr">
>               <div>
>                 <div>
>                   <div>
>                     <div>The ISP parties to the judgement have a choice,
>                       block by IP, DNS, or URI.<br>
>                       <br>
>                     </div>
>                     Now no one is going to block by URI or IP, when they
>                     can redirect from their DNS server. There is no
>                     responsibility to block DNS from 3rd party servers.<br>
>                     <br>
>                   </div>
>                   I am not a lawyer. This is not expert opinion.<br>
>                   <br>
>                 </div>
>                 Kind regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
>                     <br>
>                   </font></span></div>
>               <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Paul Wilkins<br>
>                 </font></span></div>
>             <div class="HOEnZb">
>               <div class="h5">
>                 <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
>                   <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 December 2016 at 12:43,
>                     Damien Gardner Jnr <span dir="ltr"><<a
>                         moz-do-not-send="true"
>                         href="mailto:rendrag at rendrag.net"
>                         target="_blank">rendrag at rendrag.net</a>></span>
>                     wrote:<br>
>                     <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
>                       .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
>                       <div dir="ltr">Didn't the court order specifically
>                         say they were to do DNS blocking?  Why are there
>                         articles suggesting they are going to block
>                         cloudflare?  Just for shock value?</div>
>                       <div class="gmail_extra">
>                         <div>
>                           <div class="m_8995524288480601038h5"><br>
>                             <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 December 2016
>                               at 12:42, Bradley Amm <span dir="ltr"><<a
>                                   moz-do-not-send="true"
>                                   href="mailto:brad at bradleyamm.com"
>                                   target="_blank">brad at bradleyamm.com</a>></span>
>                               wrote:<br>
>                               <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
>                                 style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
>                                 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
>                                 <div link="blue" vlink="purple"
>                                   lang="EN-AU">
>                                   <div
> class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564WordSection1">
>                                     <p class="MsoNormal"><span
> style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a
>                                           moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="https://www.playerattack.com/news/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-pirate-bay-ban-massive-collateral-dama
> ge/"
>                                           target="_blank">https://www.playerattack.com/n<wbr>ews/2016/
> 12/16/92893/aussie-pi<wbr>rate-bay-ban-massive-collatera<wbr>l-damage/</a></span></p>
>                                     <p class="MsoNormal"><span
> style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p>
>                                     <p class="MsoNormal"><span
> style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p>
>                                     <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
> style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
>                                           lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
> style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
>                                         lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a
>                                           moz-do-not-send="true"
>                                           href="mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net"
>                                           target="_blank">ausnog-bounces at lists.a<wbr>usnog.net</a>]
>                                         <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Dixon<br>
>                                         <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 19 December
>                                         2016 7:23 AM<br>
>                                         <b>To:</b> Chris Ford</span></p>
>                                     <div>
>                                       <div
>                                         class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704h5"><br>
>                                         <b>Cc:</b> <a
>                                           moz-do-not-send="true"
>                                           href="mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net"
>                                           target="_blank">ausnog at ausnog.net</a><br>
>                                         <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG]
>                                         Internet companies forced to
>                                         block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent
>                                         websites in Australia, Federal
>                                         Court rules</div>
>                                     </div>
>                                     <div>
>                                       <div
>                                         class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704h5">
>                                         <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
>                                         <div>
>                                           <p class="MsoNormal">i love
>                                             that the byproduct of this
>                                             court case is a
>                                             comprehensive list of all
>                                             the good torrent sites and
>                                             mirrors.</p>
>                                         </div>
>                                         <div>
>                                           <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
>                                           <div>
>                                             <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon,
>                                               Dec 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM,
>                                               Chris Ford <<a
>                                                 moz-do-not-send="true"
>                                                 href="mailto:chris.ford at inaboxgroup.com.au"
>                                                 target="_blank">chris.ford at inaboxgroup.com.au</a><wbr>
> >
>                                               wrote:</p>
>                                             <p class="MsoNormal"
>                                               style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've
>                                               been following this here <a
>                                                 moz-do-not-send="true"
>                                                 href="https://s115a.com/cases/current"
>                                                 target="_blank">
> https://s115a.com/cases/curren<wbr>t</a><br>
>                                               <br>
>                                               From my skim of the lists
>                                               the respondents to the
>                                               actions all roll up to
>                                               Telstra, Optus, Vocus or
>                                               TPG). I didn't see any
>                                               independent ISPs listed.
>                                               So unless you are a group
>                                               company of the Big 4 you
>                                               won’t be a recipient of
>                                               the orders, and if you
>                                               are, I'm sure you are
>                                               already well aware of what
>                                               is going on.<br>
>                                               <br>
>                                               <br>
>                                               <span
> class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564im">-----Original
>                                                 Message-----</span><br>
>                                               <span
> class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564im">From:
>                                                 AusNOG [mailto:<a
>                                                   moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces at lists.a<wbr>usnog.net</a>
> ]
>                                                 On Behalf Of Mark Newton</span><br>
>                                               <span
> class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564im">Sent:
>                                                 Friday, 16 December 2016
>                                                 2:41 PM</span><br>
>                                               <span
> class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564im">To:
>                                                 Ross Wheeler <<a
>                                                   moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:ausnog at rossw.net" target="_blank">ausnog at rossw.net</a>></span><br>
>                                               <span
> class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564im">Cc:
>                                                 <a
>                                                   moz-do-not-send="true"
> href="mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog at ausnog.net</a></span><br>
>                                               <span
> class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564im">Subject:
>                                                 Re: [AusNOG] Internet
>                                                 companies forced to
>                                                 block The Pirate Bay,
>                                                 bittorrent websites in
>                                                 Australia, Federal Court
>                                                 rules</span></p>
>                                             <div>
>                                               <div>
>                                                 <p class="MsoNormal">On
>                                                   Dec 15, 2016, at 4:56
>                                                   PM, Ross Wheeler <<a
> moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ausnog at rossw.net" target="_blank">ausnog at rossw.net</a>>
>                                                   wrote:<br>
>                                                   ><br>
>                                                   > On Thu, 15 Dec
>                                                   2016, Nathan
>                                                   Brookfield wrote:<br>
>                                                   ><br>
>                                                   >> The Federal
>                                                   Court has ordered
>                                                   internet companies to
>                                                   block five
>                                                   copyright-infringing
>                                                   websites, including
>                                                   torrent website The
>                                                   Pirate Bay.<br>
>                                                   ><br>
>                                                   > So, the next
>                                                   questions are:<br>
>                                                   > * who tells us
>                                                   ISPs officially, what
>                                                   we have to block?<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   A court order.<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   > * when do they
>                                                   tell us.<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   After you have been
>                                                   named as a respondent
>                                                   in a Federal Court
>                                                   action, and been
>                                                   presented with an
>                                                   order.<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   > * does it only
>                                                   apply to the big-few,
>                                                   or everyone?<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   It applies to everyone
>                                                   who is named as a
>                                                   respondent in a
>                                                   Federal Court action
>                                                   under s115a and has
>                                                   subsequently received
>                                                   a court order.<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   > * if the previous
>                                                   answer is "everyone",
>                                                   who do we bill,<br>
>                                                   >   and do we have
>                                                   to "trust them" that
>                                                   it'll be paid, or can<br>
>                                                   >   we just send
>                                                   them the bill and not
>                                                   do anything until it
>                                                   is?<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   The previous answer
>                                                   isn’t “everyone.” You
>                                                   bill the claimant. The
>                                                   payment conditions
>                                                   will be in the court
>                                                   order.<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   > The phrase
>                                                   "tilting at windmills"
>                                                   springs to mind.<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   Yes, pointless
>                                                   exercise. Training
>                                                   Australians to use
>                                                   evasion methods; once
>                                                   they’re doing that,
>                                                   further enforcement
>                                                   action is ineffective,
>                                                   so driving them in
>                                                   that direction is
>                                                   practically
>                                                   indistinguishable from
>                                                   saying, “Meh, don’t
>                                                   care anymore.”<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                   The overwhelming
>                                                   response I’ve seen to
>                                                   yesterday’s action is,
>                                                   “LOL.” I’m encouraged
>                                                   by that.<br>
>                                                   <br>
>                                                      - mark<br>
>                                                   <br>
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