[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers
Tim Sheahan
sheahant at mytelecom.com.au
Thu Mar 19 14:58:55 EST 2015
What we need is Mel Gibson.
He can get all done up in blue paint, and a sword bigger than he is.
Mel will lead the public on a charge to parliament house yelling "You
may take our metadata, but you'll never take.. OUR FREEDOM!"
On 19/03/2015 2:09 PM, Geordie Guy wrote:
> Fight's over. Bill just passed. EMC and NetApp salespeople will meet
> you all in your respective lobbies this afternoon.
>
> G
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Bob Woolley <boblobsta at gmail.com
> <mailto:boblobsta at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Ayden,
>
> +1 to this, a very good point.
> I think some providers have already heard this calling, iiNet /
> Internode are putting data out to their consumers on the topic.
>
> - Bob W
>
> On 19 March 2015 at 13:01, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au
> <mailto:ABeeson at csu.edu.au>> wrote:
>
> Also you guys have the greatest resource in this fight, your
> users.
>
> Has anybody passed on any communication to your users
> regarding the potential privacy impact or cost increases?
>
> It seems to me the large impact this will have would warrant a
> message to users, even if it's a note on your homepage, a note
> on the monthly invoice etc to let them know what's happening.
>
> I've seen the biker association laws in NSW and QLD managing
> to sell themselves as a violation of freedom to all people, if
> they can manage that surely we could as well given the privacy
> implications.
>
> Last time I looked there were concerns this data could be
> accessed easily for all kinds of non law enforcement uses by
> courts etc (even in divorce cases and the like), that's the
> sort of stuff that users need to be aware of.
>
> If you educate them, they can fight this battle for / with you.
>
> Cheers,
> Ayden
> (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos
> may have occurred)
>
> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:42 pm, Beeson, Ayden
> <ABeeson at csu.edu.au <mailto:ABeeson at csu.edu.au>> wrote:
> >
> > I doubt we have seen everything they have done, but if they
> have truly done nothing now then it can't get worse by you
> being members, you can't get worse than 0.
> >
> > I don't think they would be attaching your name onto
> anything you didn't agree with...
> >
> > Failing that, why don't you all form a coalition of small
> providers and act as one medium / large member?
> >
> > Only thing I know for sure is that complaining here isn't
> stopping the government, all the very valid discussions here
> need to get out of this group to have any serious impact.
> >
> > As evidenced by that house of reps image earlier, they don't
> care, so it's time to start hammering senators as a unified
> group, as it's not going to stop otherwise and once it's in
> it'll be really hard to change anything.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ayden
> > (Sent from a mobile device, some grammatical errors or typos
> may have occurred)
> >
> > On 19 Mar 2015, at 1:34 pm, Tom Berryman
> <Tom at connectivityit.com.au <mailto:Tom at connectivityit.com.au>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>>> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence
> to prove that divided = conquered and the CA would be the
> logical choice here to solve that.
> >>
> >> Really? They have done nothing to oppose it as of now - you
> think a few "low tier" new members can sway their current
> position?
> >> In a more likely outcome, you'd provide more mass to their
> existing position.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Eric
> Pinkerton
> >> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015 1:30 PM
> >> To: Beeson, Ayden; James Morgan
> >> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to
> Ministers
> >>
> >>
> >>> So forgive my ignorance, but what is stopping you smaller
> guys joining the Comms alliance? If it's cost, perhaps you'd
> be best served by raising that with them and getting a tier /
> tiers implemented that suit your smaller ISP status, even if
> it's at a different member level, at least you'd be "at the table"
> >>
> >>> The difference between you guys and the onion guys is they
> have a single voice that represents them all, I think you'd be
> better served trying to unify your voices rather than looking
> at alternative arrangements and fragmenting.
> >>
> >> I agree completely, I think there is plenty of evidence to
> prove that divided = conquered and the CA would be the logical
> choice here to solve that.
> >>
> >>
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