[AusNOG] From the AGD - Data Retention - Starts October 15 2015

[Joseph Goldman]

I suppose this is again where the legalese confuses - as the documents 
(http://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/Dataset.pdf 
specifically) mention things like even if the communication is social 
media, chat etc (See 5a in that document).

Once we get clarification from groups such as SIG (mentioned earlier in 
this thread) then a lot of this confusion may come to pass - but if what 
your saying is correct then that is a much better situation then storing 
netflow data - Billing info along with CDR's should cover most things, 
just need archive systems to sort, store and ensure the retention of 
that data.

On 10/06/15 10:16, Noel Butler wrote:
>
> On 10/06/2015 10:10, Joseph Goldman wrote:
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>> From reading those pages it seems to indicated source, destination, 
>> time and type of the communication. Perfect job for this appears to 
>> be netflow data - netflow itself holds a lot more information that 
>> may not be necessary but it seems to be the best way to pull that 
>> information at a quick glance, no?
>
> That is for voice, read it carefully. Yes for voice they want to know 
> from and to, but for internet, only who has what IP at what time and 
> their life story including payment history and a total, I guess 
> monthly, of that users used quota, a one line per month total entry in 
> a DB, which one assumes is in your billing system already anyway, they 
> certainly do not want to know how many times you logged onto twitter 
> or youtube or if you ever visited watchingthegrassgrow.com
>
>>
>> On 10/06/15 10:06, Noel Butler wrote:
>>>
>>> Why would you keep netflow for DR, they don't want to know where 
>>> your customers go or what they d/l from, only who your customer is.
>>>
>>> It's rather scary some of you people have no idea, despite it being 
>>> plastered all over the frickin place for months now, including in 
>>> the Bill itself and even a short FAQ as to what you need to keep 
>>> (which is a direct copy from the Bill thats been floating around for 
>>> ages) on the AG's website.
>>>
>>> On 10/06/2015 09:28, Joseph Goldman wrote:
>>>
>>>     I wonder how much realistically that $131.3 mill will be split
>>>     and provided - but ultimately it looks like for the most part,
>>>     Netflow data married with IP history to a subscriber will cover
>>>     the broad strokes. To cover a recent discussion, would sFlow be
>>>     applicable with its sampling rate unless set to N=1?
>>>      2 Years of that could be quite a lot of disk space filled up.
>>>     I'll also be keen to know what kind of penalties or reporting
>>>     there may be in the instance an outage on collecting this data
>>>     occurs (say server freezes and it takes 10 minutes to fix, 10
>>>     minute gap in data etc)
>>>
>>>
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