[AusNOG] AusNOG Mailing List 2015

David Hughes david at hughes.com.au
Tue Jan 6 10:00:50 EST 2015



Guys,

I think we can move on from this thread now.  The main thing is that signatures should be kept small.


Thanks

David
...



On 06/01/2015, at 8:58 AM, Patrick Cole <z at amused.net> wrote:

> Yeah, even a good text mail client deals with HTML OK if you configure it
> right.  I use mutt, for example, and have it pipe html parts through 'links' and
> display that.  Helps gets rid of a lot of the cruft too.
> 
> Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 09:45:51AM +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> 
>>   I wanted to say this too, but I thought people would get grumpy.... glad
>>   many others feel the same.
>>   If you have a problem with html, you need get a new browser or not load
>>   images.
>>   ...Skeeve
>>   Skeeve Stevens - Founder & Chief Network Architect
>>   eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>   Email:A skeeve at eintellegonetworks.comA ; Web:A eintellegonetworks.com
>> 
>>   Phone: 1300 239 038 ;A Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve
>> 
>>   Facebook:A eintellegonetworksA ; Twitter:A eintellego
>> 
>>   LinkedIn:A /in/skeeveA ;A Expert360:A Profile
>> 
>>   The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>   Juniper - CiscoA - Cumulus Linux - CloudA - ConsultingA - IPv4 Brokering
>>   On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>     The 1990s called, they want their text-mode clients that can't cope with
>>     HTML back.
>> 
>>     Seriously, this is still a thing in this day and age? Sure, you may
>>     choose to use a text-mode client. Just like you may choose to ride a
>>     horse to work - but we don't ask that people don'tA  drive past you for
>>     fear of scaring the horse...
>> 
>>     On 06/01/2015 12:21 AM, "Mattia Rossi"
>>     <mattia.rossi.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>       Hmmm, you should also follow this one:
>> 
>>       (d) Please don't post in HTML format - it tends to annoy people who
>>       read with text mode clients.
>> 
>>       The most annoying bit of HTML messages is, if a message doesn't load
>>       on some crappy connection on the road, just because there's an image
>>       in the signature...
>> 
>>       Cheers,
>> 
>>       Mat
>> 
>>       Am 05.01.2015 um 12:59 schrieb Skeeve Stevens:
>> 
>>         Done... oh Damnit!
>>         Like many others here on Gmail/Google Apps... it doesn't actually
>>         show me my signature before I send it.. So I didn't notice.A  Then I
>>         thought how do I do a different one for a mailing list... and then
>>         realised I already do... so fixed :)
>>         I think it's time to re-organise my email... hmmm.
>>         ...Skeeve
>>         Skeeve Stevens - The ISP Guy
>> 
>>         Email:A skeeve at theispguy.comA ;A Twitter:A @TheISPGuy
>> 
>>         Blog:A TheISPGuy.comA ; Facebook:A TheISPGuy
>> 
>>         LinkedIn:A /in/skeeveA ;A Expert360:A Profile
>> 
>>         On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com>
>>         wrote:
>> 
>>           On a slightly related note, to quote from the charter:
>> 
>>           (b) Keep your signatures and disclaimers short. It's no fun seeing
>>           signatures that are longer than your posts;
>> 
>>           How about it, Skeeve? :-)
>> 
>>           Regards,
>>           -Brad.
>>           ________________________________________
>>           From: AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve
>>           Stevens [skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com]
>>           Sent: Monday, 5 January 2015 7:56 AM
>>           To: David Hughes
>>           Cc: AusNOG Mailing List
>>           Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AusNOG Mailing List 2015
>> 
>>           Hey,
>> 
>>           Let's make it your job... Charge a yearly fee for a premium list
>>           :)A  i.e. an Ausnog Premium 'Member'
>> 
>>           That would get rid of a lot of the space wasters...
>> 
>>           ...Skeeve
>> 
>>           Skeeve Stevens - Founder & Chief Network Architect
>>           eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>           Email:
>>           skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com>
>>           ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com<http://eintellegonetworks.com/>
>> 
>>           Phone: 1300 239 038 ; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve
>> 
>>           Facebook:
>>           eintellegonetworks<http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks> ;
>>           Twitter: eintellego<https://twitter.com/eintellego>
>> 
>>           LinkedIn: /in/skeeve<http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> ; Expert360:
>>           Profile<https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9>
>> 
>>           [http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png]
>>           The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>           Juniper - Cisco - Cumulus Linux - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4
>>           Brokering
>> 
>>           On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:31 AM, David Hughes
>>           <david at hughes.com.au<mailto:david at hughes.com.au>> wrote:
>> 
>>           Good morning and welcome to a new work year.A  I hope everyone
>>           managed some time off over the festive season.
>> 
>>           Over the last few months the quality of content on the AusNOG
>>           mailing list has dropped appreciably.A  It appears that some
>>           members of our community misunderstand the purpose of the list and
>>           are using it in a number of ways that are in breach of the list
>>           charter.A  That cannot continue.
>> 
>>           To help clarify the purpose of the list we have updated the list
>>           charter.A  I'd ask that you all read the charter at the link below
>>           so that everyone clearly understands the purpose of this list.
>> 
>>           A  A  A  A  http://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter
>> 
>>           In particular, and I'll paraphrase from the charter, this list IS
>>           NOT to be used for :
>> 
>>           * level 1 vendor specific tech support.A  If there is a vendor /
>>           product specific list or forum please use that.
>> 
>>           * name calling and other unprofessional behaviour
>> 
>>           With regard to specific threads that occurred over the Christmas
>>           break, I'm at a loss.A  The conduct of some members hit a new low
>>           and that sort of behaviour cannot continue.A  As such some
>>           individuals have been warned about their conduct and others are
>>           now being moderated.A  A Please be warned now that from here on we
>>           will swiftly moderate members that ignore the charter.A  We will
>>           continue to moderate list members until the quality of postings
>>           increases to an acceptable level.
>> 
>>           In response to being moderated, one list member responded with an
>>           email along the lines ofA  "If you people were doing your job
>>           ....".A  Can I just remind everyone that we are a group of
>>           individuals who volunteer a few man-weeks per year of work towards
>>           running the AusNOG Conference.A  We also facilitate this mailing
>>           list.A  It is hardly "our job" to force the "professionals" in our
>>           industry to act professionally.A  We'll leave that to each of you.
>> 
>>           Thanks for your time and I look forward to your cooperation and
>>           assistance in getting this mailing list back on track.
>> 
>>           Thanks
>> 
>>           David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
>>           ...
>> 
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