[AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...

Wed Feb 25 11:01:56 EST 2015

While I am not a lawer, I'm sure one of your questions isn't legal for an ISP to follow:
"Will you be considering what options you have to circumvent the code if such a scheme is implemented ?"

If this becomes law, it would be illegal for ISPs to circumvent it, and if you try to, the government will probably take away your telecommunications license and then you're out of business.
Since 80% of your respondents say they would try to circumvent it, that suggests to me that 80% of your respondents are probably individuals who don't work for ISPs.
My fundamental concern is that this survey isn't presented as representing the views of AusNOG (or more loosely, "AusNOG mailing list subscribers"). 

      From: Paul Julian <paul at oxygennetworks.com.au>
 To: 'Steve Smalley' <ssmalley at trimblenet.com.au>; 'Mark ZZZ Smith' <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2015, 10:34
 Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...

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From: Steve Smalley [mailto:ssmalley at trimblenet.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2015 10:21 AM
To: Mark ZZZ Smith; Paul Julian; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...  I agree with Mark, I myself do not work for or represent and ISP, I work for an MSP and use this forum for monitoring potential outages/issues as well as other topical information…  some of which I have found highly useful other times… not so much.  For this reason I have not completed the survey as I don’t feel I’m an appropriate candidate but certainly can’t speak for anyone else within this forum.  I’ve certainly read the draft code and agree with most of the responses collected.    While the results so far are interesting I’d have to be sceptical as to whether this truly represents the ISP population throughout Australia.    Kind Regards,

Steve Smalley  From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark ZZZ Smith
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2015 09:09
To: Paul Julian; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...  I'd be careful of assuming it "gauge[s] interest and thoughts from people such as those on this list, the people who matter and make up the industry that we work in every day." Going by the off-topic posts to this list in the last few years, and the number of mailing list subscribers, I doubt the "AusNOG membership" is dominated by people working for ISPs any more.  From: Paul Julian <paul at oxygennetworks.com.au>
To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2015, 9:44
Subject: [AusNOG] Draft Copyright Notice Scheme basic survey results so far...  Thanks for those who has responded to the basic survey I put together, and also to those who provided some feedback, I think it’s a good thing to throw these sorts of things together and gauge interest and thoughts from people such as those on this list, the people who matter and make up the industry that we work in every day. I know not everybody likes doing these sort of things and fair enough, but I thought it was great way to get some info which was useful and not just hearsay. The survey has been up for a couple of days now and there have been 53 responses so far which is pretty good, it would be great to get 200+ responses to get a real feel for peoples thoughts. Anyway, basic results so far are as follows: 
|   | Yes | No  | Don't Know |
| Have you read the draft code ? | 80.77% | 19.23% | 0.00% |
| Do you agree with its recommendations ? | 3.77% | 90.57% | 5.66% |
| Do you feel that this represents your thoughts ? | 3.77% | 88.68% | 7.55% |
| Do you feel that it addresses the issue and provides a workable solution ? | 5.66% | 84.91% | 9.43% |
| Do you agree that an ISP should be responsible for the content that it's users access ? | 0.00% | 98.11% | 1.89% |
| Do you think that implementing such a notice scheme will cost your business money ? | 92.45% | 5.66% | 1.89% |
| Will you be considering what options you have to circumvent the code if such a scheme is implemented ? | 81.13% | 7.55% | 11.32% |

 There are some pretty strong results in this and I think this mostly reflects the comments from people on this list so far, I am happy to send these results in a submission to the draft scheme once a reasonable amount of people respond and it reflects a decent proportion of our industry. I am also more than happy to expand or change this survey if people think I am off the mark, so please let me know if you think of anything. If you haven’t already completed it then it will only take about 30 seconds to do, or pass onto other people in the industry who you feel may be interested in this important subject. Thanks and sorry to spam you if you aren’t interested in this. RegardsPaul
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