[AusNOG] Data Retention Charge To End Users

[Geordie Guy]

That wasn't intended to be a personal attack and I apologise unreservedly
for not being more careful in how I worded it.  I was highlighting a quote,
deliberately out of context, that could be taken by an outsider as evidence
that something legally relevant was being discussed.

I'd add a further caution to John's - the industry allowed itself to get
screwed by this policy and it's now past the fight phase and acquiesce
phase. *This* phase is where the AGD focuses on making sure that the
government and bureaucracy are not blamed for negative consequences (that
they said wouldn't happen).  If you're trying to think of (legal) ways to
make sure the people who did this to you have to lie in the bed they made
too, I'd suggest the public list is not the forum for it, they'll be
watching and they'll retaliate with the tools they as the attorney
general's department have at their disposal, and that has the potential to
be acutely unpleasant.

G

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au> wrote:

> My statement is my option of how customers within the industry would
> behave and is by no means collusion or suggestion that the industry should
> collude.
>
> I'm not sure it's fair  to cast such a broad brush.  Happy for the thread
> to stop but a bit puzzled at the personal attack.
>
> Matt
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> On 18 Aug 2015, at 9:49 AM, Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "In the end unless the entire industry does it.  People will use it as
> another commercial  point of difference"
>
> Yeah look I wouldn't talk about this in this way and I think it'd be a
> good idea if a mod steps in.
>
> G
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What, you’re not allowed to talk about your costs?
>>
>> Please. This is nowhere near collusion.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 August 2015 at 3:41:59 pm, John Lindsay (johnslindsay at mac.com)
>> wrote:
>>
>> As a former Regulatory and Corporate Affairs Manager I think I should
>> warn that this is dangerously close to industry collusion and shouldn’t be
>> discussed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> jsl
>>
>> John Lindsay
>> johnslindsay at mac.com
>> +61403577711
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2015, at 12:02 pm, Andrew Kitchen <a.kitchen at xi.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hey All
>>
>> I know when Andrew Yager ran the Data Retention workshop in Sydney
>> recently towards the end and this was only touched on briefly about putting
>> a Data Retention type of charge on end users accounts to help cover the out
>> of pocket costs that we all face.  I haven’t seen any further information
>> about this out in the media so I am just seeing what the feeling is amongst
>> the industry and if anyone has any ideas about how to calculate charges etc.
>>
>> I feel that some kind of charges has to be past on to users as the out of
>> pocket expense to the industry is too high for us to wear and needs to be
>> recovered but it would be nice for the industry as a whole to approach the
>> together rather than some pass it on and others wear it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Andrew Kitchen
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