[AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

[James Morgan]

I'm a particular fan of:

 

5. The type of communication or relevant service used in connection with
a communication

The following: (a) the type of communication; Examples: Voice, SMS,
email, chat, forum, social media.

 

I'm just a little worried.  What about web forums that have a chat room?
Or email services that have an instant messaging component?  Or social
media that has a chat component?

 

I think I need to lay down.

 

James.

 

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matt
Perkins
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:17 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Metadata retention... it's now (almost) a thing

 

Wow number 3 is a bit hard. How would we work out the destination of a
skype call for example ?

Matt


On 30/10/2014 3:08 pm, Ben Cooper wrote:

	Draft Data set here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/244951610/Data-Retention-Draft-Data-Set-301014


	 

	Looks like more than "just some IP addresses".

	 

	On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net>
wrote:

	
	
	On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Matt Perkins wrote:

	That fact's seem to be that this legislation will pass without
consultation outside the gang of 4 at least and there is little if
anything we can do about it. So the conversion should really switch to.
What technically do we need to do to meet the requirements of the
legislation or instruments. Can we clearly define that so people in our
industry can work to a place where we can all provide the same
information and be sure that we have not missed something that will
cause grief down the track.

	
	My local federal member has just replied to me with (in part):
	
	"Telecommunications companies will have up to two years to fully
implement the scheme.
	To prevent any further erosion of data, industry will be
required to at least maintain their current practices for holding data
during
	the implementation period.
	
	The Government is prepared to pay a reasonable share of upfront
capital costs associated with the implementation of the data retention
	scheme."
	
	
	So, despite their earlier "assurances" that there is no
requirement to retain things like websites accessed etc, that is
absolutely NOT preculuded as being a (subsequent) requirement, as has
been said on this list earlier.
	
	That is, this is absolutely "narrow end of the wedge"
legislation, almost certainly subject to "feature creep" (or "scope
expansion") over time.
	
	There is a great deal we (the numerical majority) are not privy
to. I suspect (some of) the "gang of 4" have a lot more specific
information than the rest of us are permitted to know. The secrecy,
haste and ignorance surrounding this entire thing scares me. (I had
written "astounds me" then changed it to "surprises me" but in honesty
with the calibre of politician (and public servants) we have now (and
have had for quite some time), it neither surprises nor astounds me). 

	
	
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