[AusNOG] Offsite Storage

Wed Nov 26 16:15:24 EST 2014

Doesn't ASIO report to the US overlords so anything in Australia belongs 
to the US anyway? :P

For our servers (Databases + Files) we use duplicity to do incremental 
backups straight to Amazon S3 in Sydney.
That ticks the off site box but doesn't cover off line which isn't a 
priority for us.

We only keep daily backups for 2 months so we don't use Glacier but we 
could reasonably easily if we wanted to.
Glacier is tape storage (hence the retrieval delays/limits and price) so 
clearly AWS still thinks its a player.

On 26/11/14 15:50, Jacob Gardiner wrote:
> That doesn't matter, they're a U.S. company and still subject to the 
> patriot act even when operating outside the U.S.
>
> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker 
> <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com <mailto:Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com>> wrote:
>
>     Where do AWS store this data as in which governments’ laws come in
>     to play. Do AWS have tin in Australia and can you make the data
>     stay only in Australia?
>
>     Alex
>
>     *From:*Barry Murphy [mailto:barry at vibecommunications.co.nz
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','barry at vibecommunications.co.nz');>]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 3:19 PM
>     *To:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker; Peter Tiggerdine
>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
>
>     Sounds like a small amount of data, tried Amazon S3 or something
>     similar?
>
>     Amazon allows you to ‘mount’ a virtual tape drive in their cloud
>     and you can set it to have 7 tapes and rotate them daily etc.
>
>     See
>     http://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/create-a-virtual-tape-library-using-the-aws-storage-gateway/
>
>     You can then have backups older than X days go into glacier rather
>     than the more expensive S3 if you wanted.
>
>     Kind regards,
>
>     *Barry Murphy* / *Chief Operating Officer*
>
>     *From: *Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com');>>
>     *Date: *Wednesday, 26 November 2014 5:10 pm
>     *To: *Peter Tiggerdine <ptiggerdine at gmail.com
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine at gmail.com');>>
>     *Cc: *"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>"
>     <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>>
>     *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
>
>     Yes
>
>     My current investigation is small amount of data ~ 10-20G of core
>     data.
>
>     We are happy with our current backup regime but we don’t account
>     for malicious loss of data. IE all the backups are available on
>     the network somebody can delete everything online.  Offsite gives
>     you protection from that.
>
>     Currently the old tape backup unit isn’t functioning, we are
>     looking at around ~10-15K for a server / storage / drive / tapes. 
>     I could also but some external HD’s, write to them over nite and
>     then ship them off during the day. With the cost of SSD and their
>     size coming down that’s even more attractive.
>
>     What I would really like is some virtual tape library available
>     over Mega Port, where somebody else looks after tape management or
>     virtual tapes, as long as I need some process which includes
>     authorisation to bring the tapes back on line. But at the right
>     price J
>
>     Alex
>
>     *From:*Peter Tiggerdine [mailto:ptiggerdine at gmail.com
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ptiggerdine at gmail.com');>]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 November 2014 2:57 PM
>     *To:* Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ausnog at lists.ausnog.net');>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Offsite Storage
>
>     Pundits have being declaring this for 20 years and it still hasn't
>     happened.
>
>     Tape has it's place as does D2D backup.
>
>     The answer to your question is "it depends" on "
>
>     Organisation size and maturity.
>
>     DR Plan
>
>     Backup/Recovery Plan
>
>     Budget
>
>     On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
>     <Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com
>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com');>> wrote:
>
>     Hi
>
>     Wondering what people are doing for offsite store / backups.
>     Looking at
>     http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/11/26/0044239/is-lto-tape-on-its-way-out
>     LTO tapes sales are down.  People are backing up to disk.
>
>     But what are people doing for offsite. Removable HDs ?
>
>     Alex
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