[AusNOG] Re RackCentral

[Skeeve Stevens]

I think you've made a connection to an Industry Body and the Rack Central
thing that wasn't meant.

We need an industry body for a variety of purposes, mostly to represent our
concerns to Government.

A body could also help organise something that facilitates some sort of
reporting service - whether themselves, or outsourced to a professional
provider of these kinds of things.


...Skeeve

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On 18 November 2014 15:16, Jacob Gardiner <jacob at jacobgardiner.com> wrote:

> With all do respect, do you really think that a community based internet
> society (of sorts) should be deciding at all who is allowed to undertake
> business within Australia, regardless of industry? That’s the job of the
> government and legal system.
>
> This RackCentral thing has only just kicked off and there’s already
> suggestions to form an independent body to decide who Shaun can and can not
> engage in business with under his new entity.
>
> As much as it sounds like Vocus & Summit are owed money, and It sounds
> like Shaun agrees that it does (to what amounts is the argument it sounds
> like), there is systems and legal frameworks in place that take care of
> these things. You, nor should anybody else on this list have anything to
> say about the matter that isn’t anything other than an opinion piece.
>
> I’m all for creating groups to improve the way our industry works, but
> please don’t go anywhere near suggesting that we should create a ’shonky
> operators’ list. Let the free market and our legal system work that bit
> out.
>
> --
> Jacob Gardiner
> @jacobgardiner <https://twitter.com/jacobgardiner>
>
> On 18 November 2014 at 2:50:04 pm, Skeeve Stevens (
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com) wrote:
>
> We need something that people take seriously.... but most of the industry
> is too busy getting the job done.. this is reflected in the lack of
> involved of the community in the APNIC community.... even when held in
> Australia barely anyone turns up.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>  skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>
> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>
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>
>
>  The Experts Who The Experts Call
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>
> On 18 November 2014 12:46, John Lindsay <johnslindsay at mac.com> wrote:
>
>>  I cajoled Simon, Michael and Bevan into keeping the old IIA alive for
>> three years but the organisations represented in this list didn't support
>> it so the directors had no choice but to wind it up.
>>
>> Feel free to have another go.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John Lindsay
>>
>> On 18 Nov 2014, at 12:11 pm, Skeeve Stevens <
>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Exactly... Someone needs to get one going.... or an existing entity
>> setup something to represent us.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>  skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>
>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>
>> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
>> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>
>> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
>>
>>
>>  The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>  Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering
>>
>> On 18 November 2014 12:39, John Lindsay <johnslindsay at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  What Internet industry association do you mean?
>>>
>>> This isn't one now.
>>>
>>> John Lindsay
>>>
>>> On 18 Nov 2014, at 9:59 am, Skeeve Stevens <
>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Perhaps one of our useful *cough* industry associations could offer
>>> this as a service.
>>>
>>>
>>> ...Skeeve
>>>
>>>  *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>  skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>
>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>
>>> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
>>> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>>
>>> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  The Experts Who The Experts Call
>>>  Juniper - Cisco - Cloud - Consulting - IPv4 Brokering
>>>
>>> On 18 November 2014 10:19, Ross Wheeler <ausnog at rossw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  What is missing in our industry is something like
>>>>> http://www.tica.com.au/
>>>>> for ISPs.  I've known a lot of dodgy providers who just move to another
>>>>> supplier of services.  It would be great if there was some sort of
>>>>> industry
>>>>> reporting agency for customer - personal and business.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's been raised (and killed) many times in the last 19 years that *I*
>>>> know of, but there are legal/regulatory issues that have never been
>>>> adequately addressed, and AFAIK no system has ever got off the ground.
>>>>
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