[AusNOG] metadata conference on SkyNews

Peter Tiggerdine ptiggerdine at gmail.com
Mon Aug 11 11:10:16 EST 2014

What I thought was insightful was that on insiders yesterday Dennis Atkins
said that NSA had access to metadata in the US and said it was of very
little use to catching any threats homegrown or otherwise.

So the real question is if the NSA believe it's pointless what credibility
does the so called experts from the AFP and ASIO have?

This to me based on the NSA review begs the question what do you they
really want this information for?

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:

> On 9 Aug 2014, at 12:18 am, Paul Gear <ausnog at libertysys.com.au> wrote:
> If that host was hosting MANY websites it would difficult to figure out
> precisely which site the person of interest was browsing!
> <tinfoil>
> Unless, of course, the ASD/ASIO/whoever already have implemented something
> very similar to the NSA, and all they need is the local IP to match with
> their existing intelligence databases.
> </tinfoil>
> They don't need to implement something similar to the NSA. The Australian
> government is part of 5-eyes, they can simply ask the American government
> to surveil Australians for them.
> What do you think the the 5-eyes agreement is for? It allows each member
> country to bypass their local laws against warrantless surveillance of
> their own citizens by asking a "partner" to do it on their behalf.
> Convenient, eh?
>    - mark
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