[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?

Tue Oct 15 18:39:02 EST 2013

So I think Macca was talking about the customer circuit being the SPOF - at least that is how I read it, and given he actually said very little, I think you've read way too much into it. Given my experiences, customers having backup links is the minority, and I think the only way you'll make them the majority is to give away backup links for free, including the routing/BGP foo needed to get it to work. The temptation for many customers in Skeeve's scenario would be to buy a single fat link to Megaport, and run everything over it, because its the "cheapest" way to do it - until it fails.

Calculating the cost of downtime is pretty simple to do (e.g., staff sitting around times an average hourly rate). Getting people to think about it and realise that that "expensive" backup link is actually (usually) cheap insurance is the hard part.

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> From: Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au>
>To: McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> 
>Cc: "<ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> 
>Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2013 4:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
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>Wow!  Just wow!
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>Ok - so I'm going to bite - big time.
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>Macca with respect you have exactly ZERO clue about our network architecture.  Actually, I take that back.  You should know that Megaport actually bought what we thought a fully redundant loop between our core data centres.  So unless there's something you/Vocus isn't telling us that's problem number 1.  We thought we bought a fully redundant fibre network.  Could be my mistake, but that's what the order form said.
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>Now as you obviously aren't aware we have multiple Brocade MLX-16 switches in each metro.  At the moment Brisbane has two (2) Sydney three (with a forth coming) and two (2) in Melbourne with a third coming.  Why would we do that?  Why not have a "single point of failure"?  Well mate it's because as many on this list would know I've built this shit before and I think I understand how this works.
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>So many of our customers are already using multiple ports in the same city.  Why?  Because:
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>1.  They are using Megaport to connect to wholesaler service providers (cloud ie. Amazon etc., IP/Transit ie. Pacnet etc. DDoS service providers blah, blah, blah).
>2.  They are using it to get rid of crappy data centre interconnect pricing provided by the market where a GbE port is needed to be signed up on a 2 year agreement.  Customers can light up a Megaport in Equinix, Global Switch or S1 and terminate their own DCI's for a day/month/year at a fraction of the cost and with absolute flexibility.  Imagine $200/month for a Virtual Cross Connect (or DCI in legacy carrier land) of any speed up to 10G.  Or maybe you might want that for $20/day for a day?  We'll service that.  That's how we roll.
>3.  Because they like the diversity it offers
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>But I'll let you in on a little secret.  I've hired a bunch of people who have rolled out metropolitan fibre networks and ethernet networks substantially larger than yours mate.  Why?  Because I'm not stupid.
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>So here's another secret.  I'm going to build a 120km 624 core fibre network in Australia connecting all major DC's with the metro's of Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne with full diversity because I know my customers (and potential customers) appreciate diversity and so if a customer wants to connect to two (2) fully diverse megaport switch ports from a single DC then I can service that.  To be clear I have zero interest in competing with TPG/PIPE or Vocus on dark fibres to buildings.  Mind you I did before this smart arse remark.
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>So before you jump on a list and sledge a network operator with significant history in building reliable and redundant infrastructure, you might want to get a ****ing clue about what you are talking about.
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>Maybe it's time I offer a special to all Vocus customers for dark fibre between DC's.  Yeah - that sounds like a plan.
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>Bevan Slattery - as a person who is affiliated and co/founded iSeek, PIPE Networks, NEXTDC, PPC-1/PIPE International, Megaport and SubPartners.
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>On 15 October 2013 14:42, McDonald Richards <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:
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>All my mission critical services on the one physical port and cabling? I can't wait!
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>>Macca
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>>On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
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>>OK all, 
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>>>The time is arriving for DC-Virtual Cross-Connects to become a useful part of our ISP lives.
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>>>Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers who choose to replicate the model, the Megaport one is what we've got at the moment, and we might as well start using it.
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>>>I've been having a few discussions with people about buying connectivity (not just transit) over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I am not sure if anyone out there has productised the selling of products over the VxC fabric.
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>>>I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you to connect to them over Megaport with a Direct Connect... and that is great.
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>>>What I am looking for are some transit providers who are on, or getting on Megaport, who will sell either Transit or Wholesale services over the fabric.
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>>>I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton said that he was willing to do BigAir wholesale interconnects over Megaport - and that is an awesome start.  What I would love to see is people like AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able to sell more wholesale tails over this fabric.
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>>>Transit should be an easy one. for $200 intrastate between any connected DC's, with capacity up to the connection of your pipe (10Gb or 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a no-brainer.
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>>>If you are doing this and want to announce it here, awesome... or if you don't want to announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will keep it quiet until you are ready to announce it.
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>>>Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix Peering - have you thought of connecting to Megaport for the VxC, so people can actually use the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
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>>>...Skeeve
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>>>Skeeve Stevens - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
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