[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?

Brad Evans brad at delion.com.au
Tue Oct 15 17:35:44 EST 2013


So I remove my 10x cross connects and replace it with 1. That is lost 
revenue, quite a bit.

Sure, in reality it may not be that extreme, but it's no doubt going to 
cut into a pretty high margin product.

-Brad

On 15/10/2013 5:26 PM, Daniel Watson wrote:
> Reading over this thread throughout the day, it seems to me that 
> people are forgetting that you still need the cross connect within the 
> DC to get connected to MegaPort's switching within the DC, so you 
> would still have to pay that $225/month or what ever fees you have 
> worked out with the DC in question.
>
> D.
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> *From:* AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] on behalf of Brad 
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
>
> I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all this 
> cross connect revenue.  It has to be a pretty fair chunk of their 
> profit.  We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k over 3 
> years) for 50m of fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that that 10Kva 
> of redundant, protected power and cooling is worth every cent we pay 
> for it.
>
> I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1 physical 
> port is crazy.  But everyone else has made the obvious conclusion that 
> Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us all.    How exactly 
> does the service work if we take 2 ports? Are they aggregated or 
> active/standby ? Is it the same cost to take up the 2nd port?
>
> Cheers
>
> -Brad
>
>
> On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>> Hey Brent,
>>
>> I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it certainly 
>> makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.
>>
>> From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be $100/mth... 
>> which when you look at places like Equinix which does Fibre at 
>> $290/mth - this will essentially third that for permanent connections.
>>
>> I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day (as 
>> opposed to $200/mth) if you only want a short term connection up and 
>> running.
>>
>> The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly that 
>> VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have non-active 
>> pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two points, ready to 
>> come up at a moments notice.
>>
>> The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help massively 
>> will be places like Globalswitch with their insane install costs, 
>> ongoing monthlies and maze of suites run by different people with 
>> different rules.
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon <brent.paddon at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Absolutely.  To be honest I see it as just another crossconnect -
>>     we already have a number of customers in both GS and Equinix
>>     directly connected.  This will just make it a bit easier
>>     (removing cost of internal xconnects) and make it easier for us
>>     to sell (and buy from) others in DC's that we dont have a current
>>     presence in (eg S1, etc).  Bring it on I say :)
>>
>>     Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)
>>
>>     Brent
>>
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>>     On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>     <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>     <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Brent,
>>
>>         You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport VxC?
>>
>>
>>         ...Skeeve
>>
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>>         On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon
>>         <brent.paddon at gmail.com <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Its certainly going to change the way we all buy (and
>>             sell) services to each other.  Definitely going to break
>>             down the current somewhat high inter-DC connectivity costs.
>>
>>             I think the model that they've come up with is a winner
>>             and I'd be awfully surprised if there isn't a significant
>>             amount of traffic (mainly on the VXC's) pretty
>>             shortly...as soon as the rollout has reached that
>>             critical mass.
>>
>>             I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between people
>>             (especially for those selling aggregation ports /
>>             last-mile access products), transit, cloudy stuff, etc.
>>              The current pain-in-arse of being in different DC's is
>>             pretty much going to go away.  Heck, we all know what the
>>             cost of cross-connects _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.
>>
>>             I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a smart move.
>>
>>             We have our testing port up and running in Equinix - but
>>             yet to do any VXCs. Hopefully bringing on a Brisbane port
>>             shortly.
>>
>>             Brent
>>
>>             Brent Paddon
>>             Director
>>
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>>
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>>             On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens
>>             <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>             <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Hey Macca,
>>
>>                 I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know this
>>                 product of Megaport directly competes with Vocus
>>                 fibre to a certain degree.
>>
>>                 Let's be honest... we're not talking running things
>>                 over peering here... I really don't see any quality
>>                 difference running a VLAN over layer 2
>>                 Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport... sounds more
>>                 like a scare tactic to be honest.  Unless you have
>>                 insight that you would like to share (honestly, I'd
>>                 like to know)
>>
>>                 If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would
>>                 agree.... but I am also not suggesting everyone run
>>                 absolutely everything over one Megaport connection...
>>                 go dual feeds if you want.. I am sure they'd sell it.
>>                  But... I see something interesting here, and I see
>>                 it as the future of how inter-dc connections will be
>>                 one - whether it is Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe get in
>>                 on the game too... I see it as a great idea.
>>
>>
>>                 ...Skeeve
>>
>>                 *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>                 skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com
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>>                 On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald Richards
>>                 <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au
>>                 <mailto:McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>                     All my mission critical services on the one
>>                     physical port and cabling? I can't wait!
>>
>>                     Macca
>>                     (unaffiliated in this context)
>>
>>
>>
>>                     On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
>>                     <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>>                     <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>                     OK all,
>>>
>>>                     The time is arriving for DC-Virtual
>>>                     Cross-Connects to become a useful part of our
>>>                     ISP lives.
>>>
>>>                     Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers
>>>                     who choose to replicate the model, the Megaport
>>>                     one is what we've got at the moment, and we
>>>                     might as well start using it.
>>>
>>>                     I've been having a few discussions with people
>>>                     about buying connectivity (not just transit)
>>>                     over the Megaport VxC fabric, but I am not sure
>>>                     if anyone out there has productised the selling
>>>                     of products over the VxC fabric.
>>>
>>>                     I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you
>>>                     to connect to them over Megaport with a Direct
>>>                     Connect... and that is great.
>>>
>>>                     What I am looking for are some transit providers
>>>                     who are on, or getting on Megaport, who will
>>>                     sell either Transit or Wholesale services over
>>>                     the fabric.
>>>
>>>                     I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton
>>>                     said that he was willing to do BigAir wholesale
>>>                     interconnects over Megaport - and that is an
>>>                     awesome start.  What I would love to see is
>>>                     people like AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able
>>>                     to sell more wholesale tails over this fabric.
>>>
>>>                     Transit should be an easy one. for $200
>>>                     intrastate between any connected DC's, with
>>>                     capacity up to the connection of your pipe (10Gb
>>>                     or 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a
>>>                     no-brainer.
>>>
>>>                     If you are doing this and want to announce it
>>>                     here, awesome... or if you don't want to
>>>                     announce yet, but happy to let me know - I will
>>>                     keep it quiet until you are ready to announce it.
>>>
>>>                     Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix
>>>                     Peering - have you thought of connecting to
>>>                     Megaport for the VxC, so people can actually use
>>>                     the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
>>>
>>>                     ...Skeeve
>>>
>>>                     *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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