[AusNOG] Transit over Megaport - who?
Brad Evans
brad at delion.com.au
Tue Oct 15 17:21:45 EST 2013
I'm curious how the datacenters feel about potentially losing all this
cross connect revenue. It has to be a pretty fair chunk of their
profit. We all know that it doesn't cost $225/month (>$8k over 3 years)
for 50m of fibre to sit in a tray, but we know that that 10Kva of
redundant, protected power and cooling is worth every cent we pay for it.
I think Macca raised a reasonable point... everything on 1 physical port
is crazy. But everyone else has made the obvious conclusion that
Megaport[S] open up some fantastic options for us all. How exactly
does the service work if we take 2 ports? Are they aggregated or
active/standby ? Is it the same cost to take up the 2nd port?
Cheers
-Brad
On 15/10/2013 5:10 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> Hey Brent,
>
> I don't think it removes the cost of cross-connects, but it certainly
> makes it a hell of a lot cheaper.
>
> From what one of the guys at MP told me, intra-dc will be $100/mth...
> which when you look at places like Equinix which does Fibre at
> $290/mth - this will essentially third that for permanent connections.
>
> I'm not sure of the final numbers, but Bevan mentioned $20/day (as
> opposed to $200/mth) if you only want a short term connection up and
> running.
>
> The trick here will be for Megaport to automate this so smoothly that
> VxC's are brought online VERY quickly.. perhaps even have non-active
> pre-provisioned ones (with VLAN's, etc) between two points, ready to
> come up at a moments notice.
>
> The datacentres these Cross-Connect fee savings will help massively
> will be places like Globalswitch with their insane install costs,
> ongoing monthlies and maze of suites run by different people with
> different rules.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Brent Paddon <brent.paddon at gmail.com
> <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Absolutely. To be honest I see it as just another crossconnect -
> we already have a number of customers in both GS and Equinix
> directly connected. This will just make it a bit easier (removing
> cost of internal xconnects) and make it easier for us to sell (and
> buy from) others in DC's that we dont have a current presence in
> (eg S1, etc). Bring it on I say :)
>
> Bevan disrupting the status quo (his specialty I think) ... :)
>
> Brent
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Skeeve Stevens
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
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>
> Brent,
>
> You guys going to offer any of your products on Megaport VxC?
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Brent Paddon
> <brent.paddon at gmail.com <mailto:brent.paddon at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Its certainly going to change the way we all buy (and
> sell) services to each other. Definitely going to break
> down the current somewhat high inter-DC connectivity costs.
>
> I think the model that they've come up with is a winner
> and I'd be awfully surprised if there isn't a significant
> amount of traffic (mainly on the VXC's) pretty
> shortly...as soon as the rollout has reached that critical
> mass.
>
> I expect to see a LOT more connectivity between people
> (especially for those selling aggregation ports /
> last-mile access products), transit, cloudy stuff, etc.
> The current pain-in-arse of being in different DC's is
> pretty much going to go away. Heck, we all know what the
> cost of cross-connects _inside_ DC's is like at the moment.
>
> I also think that forcing people to go 10G is a smart move.
>
> We have our testing port up and running in Equinix - but
> yet to do any VXCs. Hopefully bringing on a Brisbane
> port shortly.
>
> Brent
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
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>
> Hey Macca,
>
> I know you say unaffiliated, but I also know this
> product of Megaport directly competes with Vocus fibre
> to a certain degree.
>
> Let's be honest... we're not talking running things
> over peering here... I really don't see any quality
> difference running a VLAN over layer 2
> Vocus/AAPT/Pipe/others and Megaport... sounds more
> like a scare tactic to be honest. Unless you have
> insight that you would like to share (honestly, I'd
> like to know)
>
> If we are talking dark vs. layer 2, then I would
> agree.... but I am also not suggesting everyone run
> absolutely everything over one Megaport connection...
> go dual feeds if you want.. I am sure they'd sell it.
> But... I see something interesting here, and I see it
> as the future of how inter-dc connections will be one
> - whether it is Megaport, or Vocus or Pipe get in on
> the game too... I see it as a great idea.
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, McDonald Richards
> <McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au
> <mailto:McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au>> wrote:
>
> All my mission critical services on the one
> physical port and cabling? I can't wait!
>
> Macca
> (unaffiliated in this context)
>
>
>
> On 15/10/2013, at 3:24 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>
>> OK all,
>>
>> The time is arriving for DC-Virtual
>> Cross-Connects to become a useful part of our ISP
>> lives.
>>
>> Whether it is Megaport, or other fibre providers
>> who choose to replicate the model, the Megaport
>> one is what we've got at the moment, and we might
>> as well start using it.
>>
>> I've been having a few discussions with people
>> about buying connectivity (not just transit) over
>> the Megaport VxC fabric, but I am not sure if
>> anyone out there has productised the selling of
>> products over the VxC fabric.
>>
>> I know people like Amazon AWS will now allow you
>> to connect to them over Megaport with a Direct
>> Connect... and that is great.
>>
>> What I am looking for are some transit providers
>> who are on, or getting on Megaport, who will sell
>> either Transit or Wholesale services over the fabric.
>>
>> I was at an event recently, when Jason Ashton
>> said that he was willing to do BigAir wholesale
>> interconnects over Megaport - and that is an
>> awesome start. What I would love to see is
>> people like AAPT, iSeek, M2 and others be able to
>> sell more wholesale tails over this fabric.
>>
>> Transit should be an easy one. for $200
>> intrastate between any connected DC's, with
>> capacity up to the connection of your pipe (10Gb
>> or 100Gb), I see people selling transit as a
>> no-brainer.
>>
>> If you are doing this and want to announce it
>> here, awesome... or if you don't want to announce
>> yet, but happy to let me know - I will keep it
>> quiet until you are ready to announce it.
>>
>> Also... other IXs... Pipe, Australia IX, Equinix
>> Peering - have you thought of connecting to
>> Megaport for the VxC, so people can actually use
>> the Megaport fabric to get onto your IX as well?
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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