gallen at mytelecom.com.au
Sat Mar 2 19:08:13 EST 2013
It's Saturday, and I'm a bit bored, apologies in advance for any offense
[IPv6 - Scene #1]
[Hipster #1] - Hey did you notice that the InstaFaceGramGrinderSpace
thingy hasn't worked properly since Sunday night? Hey, Nathanyall, you
know about computers, didn't you queue for 3 days for your new phone?
[Hipster#2] Yeah, but have an iPhone and Mac, everything works perfectly
for me, you should get a mac. Why is my Frappe taking so long?
[Slightly outcast acquaintance #1] Don't you use the same ISP as me?
[Hipster #1] IS what now? I've got a notebook, HP I think.
[Slightly outcast acquaintance #1] Don't worry. Didn't you get an email
from HyperMegaNet about them turning on IPv6 last week, if you wanted to
opt-out there was a link to a form where you could say no.
[Hipster #1] Do you mean Facebook? Right, so someone broke my internet
and now I have to call them to fix it, what's their number?
[ISP Help desk operator] - Hello Jaamie, how can I help you?
[Hipster #1] - My InstaFaceGramGrinderSpace is broken, apparently you
turned on i6 on Sunday and now nothing works, I want it put back the way
it was, now.
[ISP Help desk operator] - We did send you an IPv6 opt-out form. If you
just have a minute I am sure we can get your PC working properly again.
[Hipster #1] - I don't have a minute, I want it put back the way it
was ,now, it's not my problem, I want to speak to a manager. I saw an ad
on a tram for internet that was half the price I pay you.
[ISP Help desk operator] - I understand sir, I'll put it back now, it
will just take a moment, there, done, sorry for the inconvenience.
[Hipster #1] Thankyou, please don't do that again.
[ISP Manager] - Why did we turn on IPv6 again?
[Network Manager] - We have to migrate people to IPv6 because.........
[approx 8 minutes pass]
[ISP Manager] - Are we charging more for it?
[Network Manager] - No
[ISP Manager] - Can people do more with it?
[Network Manager] - No
[ISP Manager] - Does it lower our costs?
[Network Manager] - No, it sort of increases them in the short term
[ISP Manager] - How many extra calls have we had per day since?
[Network Manager] - About a 300% increase
[ISP Help Desk Manager] - You're fired.
IP what now?
On Sat, 2013-03-02 at 18:20 +1100, Joshua D'Alton wrote:
> Cheers Bevan
> The solution to 1. is to charge full economic prices for things, that
> will hit people where their hearts are; their wallets. You could even
> do it like the fee added on when you get your car serviced "oil
> disposal".. instead it would be "IPv4 provisioning" or something like
> If all the drug dealers in "The Wire" could get together and sort out
> there minor problems for a massive gain in cooperative bargaining,
> then while it is a TV show, perhaps we can aspire to do the same
> I'm not proposing serversaustralia and ozservers and nextDC be the
> only ones to stick their necks out, but I don't think it would be seen
> as conspiracy or market manipulation by the government were they to
> get together and work out a plan that would see them all through the
> next 5 years of transition. The reverse way of dealing it would be to
> discount services that operate on IPv6-only, that might have less of
> an impact on the customer.
> Of course, that would actually require the cost of IPv4 going up, not
> down like it has in this case. Still, if companies were made to pay
> 10x what they are now for ip space, they might consider the current
> pain vs future pain equation to start weighing heavily in the now.
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Bevan Slattery
> <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Joshua. The issues in my mind are:
> 1. Lack of education and awareness with end-users
> 2. Lack of a coherent and seamless migration strategy
> (including tools) not just for industry/network operators but
> also for end-users
> 3. Poor management of limited resources (IP addresses)
> How can we expect users to plan for migration if the people
> who operate the networks themselves can't even articulate
> first what the problem is and secondly how to solve it?
> So unless us as an industry come up with a solution 2) and
> communicate 1) then all we have to rely on is efficient
> resource management 3).
> From: Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>
> Date: Saturday, 2 March 2013 3:52 PM
> To: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
> Resent-From: Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>
> The unsaid thing here seems to be the cost, to the company, to
> the customers, to whoever.
> I'd suggest that businesses that operate on low margins are
> always going to feel more threatened when their business model
> comes under attack, but that is their cross to bear not the
> internet communities'.
> When you have providers selling virtual servers for $5/month,
> dedicated IP/hosting for $3/month, dedicated servers for
> $99/month and so on, you start to have complaints from people
> who can't afford to role out IPv6, or are worried about losing
> their customer base if they try pass on some of the costs to
> them. Sure there are lots of companies complaining who do
> operate on high margins, and people on low margins not
> complaining, but they aren't the ones with a fundamental
> business model problem.
> It seems people have made their beds, and as painful as it is,
> they are going to have to sleep in them. The people still
> playing pass the parcel with this ticking time bomb when it
> goes off are going to take a far larger hit in 5 years than if
> they bite the bullet now and get IPv6 ready. And conversely,
> they are paying a much higher price now than they would have
> even 5 years ago.
> People complain about software not working properly with IPv6,
> well it might have been time to kick up a fuss about that 10
> years ago, not in 5 years time and still expect something to
> be done when the horse has well and truly bolted. We've had
> client-side IPv6 support for going on 10 years now, and while
> it isn't anywhere near perfect and there is still a lot to be
> done... well its all been said already.
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Bevan Slattery
> <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com> wrote:
> Yes we have been running out for the last 10 years -
> I get it. But here's the news flash - we are going to
> keep running out for at least the next 5, because the
> network operator doesn't always determine the
> timetable for migration of course and unless they
> don't care about having customers.
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