[AusNOG] APNIC Slashes Costs for New Members
jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au
Fri Mar 1 20:46:26 EST 2013
They have a policy for recovering un used address from what I was told
by them, they just don't have the resources to action it.
Don't have a stab at me, I'm speaking what most are probably thinking.
Yes I should go to the policy meetings and I will, and I will speak on
behalf of around 30 providers that have directly emailed me saying
they agree... However from what I was told there IS a policy to stop
this, but no one actions it.
If you don't think people use loop holes to get IP's for no reason
then you need to come and work for a hosting company for a day and see
the shit people say to get an IP, second opinions are approved for no
reason and IP's are handed out like they are not limited. No wonder we
have a world wide shortage.
The fact people can now get a /22 with minimal justification and cost
is my argument, it's now making it easy to source and hold on to for
selling and making a profit for later. I agree there are some people
that really do need them and I FULLY support them IF they have a REAL
justification. (In fact i have helped many customers of mine move off
my space to their own allocation) A justification of 'we have ssl's'
is not longer valid in my opinion, you can use SNI or something
similar to overcome the need for a IP for a SSL, however people still
seem to use this excuse to gain IP space, I see it everyday in
Obviously in your world of ISP land it's a lot different. But MANY in
hosting are seeing this horrible trend.
I'm now going to enjoy my beer and Friday night and will look forward
to attending the next APNIC policy meeting armed with example
companies hoarding IP's that have knowingly ripped off the application
Remember I support the genuine people that need IP's please don't get
me wrong. I just don't support the people that are out to 'monetarily'
gain from space they don't need but can get from a small investment
now and a few lies on an application.
Servers Australia Pty Ltd
Phone: 1300 788 862
Direct: (02) 4307 4205
E-mail: jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au
On 01/03/2013, at 8:25 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
> On 01/03/2013, at 19:31, Jared Hirst <jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
>> Agree, and one would have thought that me as a member paying them they
>> would at least look into people taking advantage of the system,
>> clearly I'm just the only one that sees this as an issue.
> Look, I think I see the problem.
> You clearly believe that "the system" is supposed to make it difficult and inconvenient to obtain IPv4 address space, and therefore anyone who makes use of APNIC policies and procedures in a way that enables them to get access to IPv4 in ways that aren't difficult and inconvenient are "taking advantage of the system."
> Due to this misapprehension on your part, you naturally believe that APNIC need to be concerned, and need to do something (what?) to make it difficult and inconvenient to get IPv4 addresses.
> This attitude is reasonably common among people who've heard war stories about how hard it is to get addresses without having done it themselves. Usually the same people who think a "class C" is still a thing.
> Your error is pretty easy to resolve, you merely need to accept that there has never been a requirement for addresses to be difficult or inconvenient to obtain, and those who find it simple are merely, to put it mildly, perhaps better at this kind of thing than you are. In the sense that they're getting their addresses easily, without jumping through the imaginary hoops you seem to think everyone needs to jump through.
> A small attitude adjustment is all it requires. Then you can stop being "frustrated", APNIC can stop spending member money answering your phone calls, and everyone can continue to get the addresses which APNIC's finely handcrafted policies say they're entitled to.
> As Mark Smith hinted: move on to "acceptance." Win-win!
>> Sorry for bringing it up, I'll remember in future to just be attend a
>> political meeting with APNIC and not voice it here for discussion :)
> Start with policy-sig, at the very least. No airfares required.
> - mark
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