[AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

[Bevan Slattery]

Hi Serge,

This is a network operators group.  If you don't know what a "lawful
request" is, then you don't operate a network (at least envisaged by this
list).  If you are wanting to know what the "lawful request in this
instance" then you don't operate a network, because if you did, you would
know that if you receive a lawful request to block, then you can't talk
about it, meaning you won't get an answer to your question on this list.

Either way, do your research off list please ­ it's [mostly] all there.  The
rest of it is when you do your Interception Capability Plan with the
Attorney Generals Department and others and as you can guess ­ they/we can't
talk about that either.  But we (Network Operators) all already know that
tooŠ

Cheers

[b]





From:  Serge Burjak <sburjak at systech.com.au>
Date:  Saturday, 13 April 2013 10:37 AM
To:  J Williams <jphwilliams at gmail.com>
Cc:  "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject:  Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
melbournefreeuniversity.org.

What is a lawful request in this instance?

On 13/04/2013, at 9:56, J Williams <jphwilliams at gmail.com> wrote:

> Finally a sensible answer.
> The carriers may be complying with a request from a lawful enforcement agency
> to filter this IP address, and are therefore unable to provide any further
> details, as per their obligations.
> Telling them to 'man up' (which could be interpreted as sexist) or shooting
> down the intermediary is ridiculous and unhelpful.
> 
> Firstly, since this is deliberately blocked, the parties involved need to
> direct their queries to the relevant government body, perhaps ->
> http://www.afp.gov.au/contact.aspx
> Secondly, the internet has many workarounds, the end user can change hosting
> (to within Australia?) or ask the current provider for a different IP address,
> etc.
> 
> Please let us know how you go Danny.
> 
> Regards,
> Julian
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> If government interception was involved any parties cooperating wouldn't be
>> able to say anything. Why won't the end user move another service and see if
>> the block follows them.
>> 
>> On 11/04/2013 12:38 PM, "Joshua D'Alton" <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
>>> **ford.com <http://ford.com>
>>> 
>>> Well theres the culprit... ;)
>>> 
>>> The sad thing is the real culprit site has more than likely already moved to
>>> another IP, leaving all these legit sites up the creek. It's the piracy/DRM
>>> argument all over again :(
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Simon Lyall <simon at darkmere.gen.nz> wrote:
>>>> 1. Works from New Zealand
>>>> 
>>>> 2. There is a list of websites hosted on that IP at
>>>> http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104 <http://sameid.net/ip/198.136.54.104>
>>>> . However they obscure the first two characters of each domain. Skimming
>>>> though it nothing really jumped out. A fairly high number of Australian
>>>> sites, all boring stuff:
>>>> 
>>>> www.clanfraser.org.au <http://www.clanfraser.org.au>
>>>> www.tradecoastproperties.com.au <http://www.tradecoastproperties.com.au>
>>>> www.fromholtz.com.au <http://www.fromholtz.com.au>
>>>> www.brunswickplace.com.au <http://www.brunswickplace.com.au>
>>>> www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au <http://www.bluewaterdeliveries.com.au>
>>>> 
>>>> I keep expecting to find a Queensland dentist..
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Simon Lyall  |  Very Busy  |  Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/
>>>> "To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.
>>>> 
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