[AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

Heinz N ausnog at equisoft.com.au
Sat Apr 13 10:41:26 EST 2013


How strange, I can now get there too. I definately couldn't before. I get 
a simliar traceroute to one below. Maybe the BGP blackhole entry was just 
a mistake?? Or maybe all the attention has caused a bit of an "oops" 
somewhere.

Heinz N.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Dan wrote:

> Interesting that I can get to it via my Telstra connection here (loads ok in
> browser too)
> 
> Traceroute to melbournefreeuniversity.org (198.136.54.104), 64 hops max.
> 1  () time=49 ms
> 2 172.18.212.5 (172.18.212.5) time=18 ms
> 3 172.18.69.114 (172.18.69.114) time=15 ms
> 4 172.18.241.101 (172.18.241.101) time=18 ms
> 5 bundle-ether10.cha45.brisbane.telstra.net (203.45.53.237) time=20 ms
> 6 bundle-ether2.cha-core4.brisbane.telstra.net (203.50.44.13) time=18 ms
> 7 bundle-ether11.ken-core4.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.72) time=37 ms
> 8 bundle-ether1.pad-gw2.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.29) time=29 ms
> 9 203.50.13.118 (203.50.13.118) time=23 ms
> 10 i-0-3-0-5.paix-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.144.157) time=214 ms
> 11 i-0-0-0-0.eqnx-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.140.142) time=276 ms
> 12 i-0-0-0-0.eqnx03.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.251.85) time=378 ms
> 13 l3-peer.eqnx03.pr.telstraglobal.net (134.159.62.198) time=266 ms
> 14 vlan60.csw1.sanjose1.level3.net (4.69.152.62) time=264 ms
> 15 ae-61-61.ebr1.sanjose1.level3.net (4.69.153.1) time=261 ms
> 16 ae-5-5.ebr1.sanjose5.level3.net (4.69.148.137) time=301 ms
> 17 ae-1-100.ebr2.sanjose5.level3.net (4.69.148.110) time=308 ms
> 18 ae-6-6.ebr2.losangeles1.level3.net (4.69.148.201) time=255 ms
> 19 ae-3-3.ebr3.dallas1.level3.net (4.69.132.78) time=262 ms
> 20 ae-7-7.ebr3.atlanta2.level3.net (4.69.134.22) time=296 ms
> 21 ae-63-63.ebr1.atlanta2.level3.net (4.69.148.242) time=296 ms
> 22 ae-1-8.bar1.orlando1.level3.net (4.69.137.149) time=271 ms
> 23 *
> 24 active.host-care.com (198.136.54.104) time=313 ms 
> *** Traceroute at destination ***
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 11/04/2013, at 6:23 PM, Ben O'Hara <bohara at apnic.net> wrote:
>
>       For whats its worth I can get to it over TPG dsl at home, but
>       from the
>       office, using telstra transit it appears blocked somewhere with
>       telstra.
>
>       Ben
>
>       On 11/04/2013 18:02, "Skeeve Stevens"
>       <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
>             Yes.  AAPT, man up and tell us what is going on.
> 
> 
>
>             If you can't, tell us who can, and we will pursue
>             them.
> 
> 
> 
>
>             ...Skeeve
> 
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>
>             On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Tim March
>
>             <march.tim at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>
>             So, the initial questions I have for AAPT at this
>             point are;
> 
>
>               1. Under what directive are you blocking traffic
>             to IP addresses? Are
>
>             you voluntarily complying with some sort of
>             government filtering
>
>             initiative or doing so at the request of some other
>             law enforcement
>
>             agency - eg, AFP, as some people have suggested ?
> 
>
>               2. How are requests to block particular IP
>             addresses processed - Are
>
>             you provided with a complete list from
>             $Organisation/$Agency from time to
>
>             time, or do you add individual /32 or other blocks
>             to the list as
>
>             requested ?
> 
>
>               3. Who is responsibly for the administration of
>             that list at both the
>
>             presumed external agency and internally at AAPT ?
> 
>
>               4. How many IP addresses is AAPT currently
>             blocking either
>
>             voluntarily or in compliance with whatever LEA
>             request ?
> 
>
>               5. Is this list made publicly available for
>             review? If it's not
>
>             already published (I'm guessing it's not) is AAPT
>             willing to provide a
>
>             copy of the current list for review ?
> 
>
>             Obviously most members of the list can take fairly
>             educated guesses at
>
>             most of the above, but I'd like a specific, public
>             answer from either
>
>             AAPT or another carrier to each of the questions...
> 
> 
> 
>
>             T.
> 
>
>             On 11/04/13 5:46 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:
> 
> 
>
>             Wouldn't they need to tell all carriage service
>             providers. We can still
>
>             get to it via one of our other links. If we dont
>             know we have to block it
>
>             how would we do so.  Also you can add pipe to the
>             list looks like they
>
>             are blocking it as well.
> 
>
>             Matt.
> 
> 
>
>             On 11/04/13 5:42 PM, Geordie Guy wrote:
> 
>
>             That filter uses DNS poisoning. The more likely
>             scenario is the AFP can
>
>             issue direction that an ISP "take reasonable steps
>             to uphold the law" and
>
>             they're issued that here with an IP as the target.
>
>             On 11/04/2013 5:39 PM, "Damian Guppy"
>             <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>
>             Given all the people saying internode / iinet works
>             fine, and their
>
>             market size, I would have to think we are looking at
>             a voluntary
>
>             implementation of a government filter. Which I think
>             is pretty poor form
>
>             for Telstra / Optus / AAPT to be forcing
>
>             their (ineffective) filter onto their downstream
>             customers without any
>
>             sort of acknowledgement. This is probably one of
>             thoes things that needs
>
>             to blow up on whirlpool to get a real response out
>             of whoever as to what
>
>             is happening.
> 
> 
>
>             Of course, if this is a new addition to the rumored
>             mandatory blacklist
>
>             that all ISP's have to adhear to it could just be
>             iiNet havent updated
>
>             their tables.
> 
> 
>
>             --Damian
> 
> 
> 
>
>             On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Benjamin
>             Donald-Wilson
>
>             <benny at thesii.org> wrote:
> 
>
>             Yep, works from a friend's Internode connection in
>             Sydney.
> 
> 
>
>             On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Heinz N
>             <ausnog at equisoft.com.au> wrote:
> 
> 
>
>             On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Benjamin Donald-Wilson wrote:
> 
> 
>
>             I just got someone to check the website though his
>             University
>
>             of Queensland VPN. He says he can access it though
>             that but not directly
>
>             though his normal Bigpond internet connection.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>             Yeah, I can get to it through an OS Proxy & TOR
>             network. If these idiot
>
>             politicians think they can stop anyone getting to
>             anywhere, they are
>
>             deluded. A 12 year old could get past this "block".
>             This is what comes of
>
>             having clueless politicians trying to "regulate"
>
>             something that they have never used. They will only
>             be happy when they
>
>             block /0
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>             Yep, no doubt a 12 year old could get past the
>             block, I'm only a few
>
>             years older then that.
> 
> 
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