[AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to melbournefreeuniversity.org.

Zone Networks - Joel joel at zonenetworks.com.au
Thu Apr 11 18:32:22 EST 2013


It's a GANG of 3 filter.. since Verzion isn't blocking it :P

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[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Ben O'Hara
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013 6:24 PM
To: Skeeve Stevens; Tim March
Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Understanding lack of Aus connectivity to
melbournefreeuniversity.org.

For whats its worth I can get to it over TPG dsl at home, but from the
office, using telstra transit it appears blocked somewhere with telstra.

Ben

On 11/04/2013 18:02, "Skeeve Stevens"
<skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:

>Yes.  AAPT, man up and tell us what is going on.
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>If you can't, tell us who can, and we will pursue them.
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>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Tim March <march.tim at gmail.com> wrote:
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>So, the initial questions I have for AAPT at this point are;
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>    1. Under what directive are you blocking traffic to IP addresses? 
>Are you voluntarily complying with some sort of government filtering 
>initiative or doing so at the request of some other law enforcement 
>agency - eg, AFP, as some people have suggested ?
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>    2. How are requests to block particular IP addresses processed - 
>Are you provided with a complete list from $Organisation/$Agency from 
>time to time, or do you add individual /32 or other blocks to the list 
>as requested ?
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>    3. Who is responsibly for the administration of that list at both 
>the presumed external agency and internally at AAPT ?
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>    4. How many IP addresses is AAPT currently blocking either 
>voluntarily or in compliance with whatever LEA request ?
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>    5. Is this list made publicly available for review? If it's not 
>already published (I'm guessing it's not) is AAPT willing to provide a 
>copy of the current list for review ?
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>Obviously most members of the list can take fairly educated guesses at 
>most of the above, but I'd like a specific, public answer from either 
>AAPT or another carrier to each of the questions...
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>T.
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>On 11/04/13 5:46 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:
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>Wouldn't they need to tell all carriage service providers. We can still 
>get to it via one of our other links. If we dont know we have to block 
>it how would we do so.  Also you can add pipe to the list looks like 
>they are blocking it as well.
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>Matt.
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>On 11/04/13 5:42 PM, Geordie Guy wrote:
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>That filter uses DNS poisoning. The more likely scenario is the AFP can 
>issue direction that an ISP "take reasonable steps to uphold the law" 
>and they're issued that here with an IP as the target.
>On 11/04/2013 5:39 PM, "Damian Guppy" <the.damo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>Given all the people saying internode / iinet works fine, and their 
>market size, I would have to think we are looking at a voluntary 
>implementation of a government filter. Which I think is pretty poor 
>form for Telstra / Optus / AAPT to be forcing  their (ineffective) 
>filter onto their downstream customers without any sort of 
>acknowledgement. This is probably one of thoes things that needs to 
>blow up on whirlpool to get a real response out of whoever as to what 
>is happening.
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>Of course, if this is a new addition to the rumored mandatory blacklist 
>that all ISP's have to adhear to it could just be iiNet havent updated 
>their tables.
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>--Damian
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>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Benjamin Donald-Wilson 
><benny at thesii.org> wrote:
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>Yep, works from a friend's Internode connection in Sydney.
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>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Heinz N <ausnog at equisoft.com.au> wrote:
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>On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Benjamin Donald-Wilson wrote:
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>I just got someone to check the website though his University of 
>Queensland VPN. He says he can access it though that but not directly 
>though his normal Bigpond internet connection.
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>Yeah, I can get to it through an OS Proxy & TOR network. If these idiot 
>politicians think they can stop anyone getting to anywhere, they are 
>deluded. A 12 year old could get past this "block". This is what comes 
>of having clueless politicians trying to "regulate"
> something that they have never used. They will only be happy when they 
>block /0
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>Yep, no doubt a 12 year old could get past the block, I'm only a few 
>years older then that.
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