[AusNOG] International link issue

Aaron Swayn aaron at swayn.com
Fri Feb 24 10:58:55 EST 2012

>From what I understand is the BGP interface between Telstra AUS (AS1221) and
Reach aka Telstra worldwide (AS4637) went down because..


Dodo advertised 390k prefixes to Telstra, which they accepted.

Telstra then advertised the 390k prefixes to Reach

Reach, correctly assuming that Telstra should never have this many routes
and shut down BGP due to 'max-prefixes' being breached.

This causes much route flapping and some ISPs with route dampening, did just
that to AS1221 prefixes to prevent CPU overload (Telstra advertise normally
something like 800+ prefixes, or something around that number)


Telstra should have had a max-prefix in place on the Dodo peer to protect
from this (although should be filtered correctly to protect its own customer
base, but to what level is debatable. But as Dodo is not a Teir 1 carrier, I
don't think they should be that relaxed in the peering configuration IMHO.
Only 3 carriers are Tier 1 in Australia and only they should be that relaxed
to allow all prefixes. It seems Reach however doesn't trust Telstra though).

Reach did the right thing, as they are one of the few true global Tier 1
peering provider. Hence, Reach never expects to see the internet come from
Telstra, only domestic routes which Telstra peers with.


I'm sure the Instructor lead training courses for CCNP and BGP will talk
about this incident for the next 20 years on what not to do. I seem to
recall one comment "You don't want to become famous, so always check what
you're doing before you interface with the internet".


From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Will Tardy
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 10:30 AM
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] International link issue


Telstra claims they had an international link down:




If that happened at the same time as DODO incorrectly sending Telstra the
full BGP table, could that explain why Telstra black-holed all-routes plus
pumped all of it's own traffic via dodo?

On 24 February 2012 10:02, Wade Millican <Wade.Millican at echoent.com.au>

Hi All,


What I'm yet to understand about this outage is why DODO's AS_PATH was seen
as shorter than anything Telstra already had.


An earlier posted look at routes(below), thanks Gavin, shows all routes from
Telstra taking hops to DODO, then Optus or PIPE before moving to the
destination. Surely Telstra would have had better routes than pushing all
traffic 2 hops out of it's way.


AS_PATH does not explain how Telstra accepted these as the active routes.
Even if all routes were accepted, Telstra still has better routes.


Can anyone explain what BGP Metric was modified/used that pushed traffic
over longer AS_PATHs? 


*>         100     80      0 1221 38285 7474
7473 55410 45528 i
*>         100     80      0 1221 38285 7474
7473 55410 45528 i
*>         100     80      0 1221 38285 7474
7473 55410 45528 i
*>         100     80      0 1221 38285 7474
7473 6453 4755 45528 i
*>         100     80      0 1221 38285 7474
7473 6453 4755 45528 i
*         100     80      0 1221 38285
18398 7545 7545 i






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From: "Ramsay, Paul" <pramsay at uecomm.com.au>
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:20:41 -0800
To: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] International link issue


Yes, this reinforces the Rule of Trust. Don't trust your BGP peers and
ensure your filters are in place, configured correctly and working, you
can't transfer blame.

It can cost you big $$ and pain if you inadvertently turn yourself into a
transit peer because your upstreams may prefer to send traffic where they
can make $$ from.


From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn
Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2012 5:09 PM
To: 'ausnog at ausnog.net'
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] International link issue


It's easy to describe for all the media types watching..

(And I'm not sure why its not being put out there in Laymans terms).


>From the routes seen at various points, and reported on the WAIX mailing
list earlier..




Dodo told Telstra that Dodo was the rest of the Internet.


Telstra Believed Dodo.


Telstra entire system tried to use DODO as their ISP instead of everyone
else Telstra is connected to.


Needless to say this didn't work, the pipes got Jammed.


Telstra should have filtered the announcement from Dodo, butdidn't.


Filtering is in place as a form of control (which is used instead of trust).


Filtering obviously wasn't in place, or didn't work, so anything that Dodo
told Telstra about where to find the Internet, Telstra believed.


This happens quite often, I've heard of this happening on peering exchanges
within Australia, too. Just never at an organizational level as big as


Over and Out.



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