[AusNOG] M2 buy Primus

Jake Anderson yahoo at vapourforge.com
Mon Apr 16 17:16:08 EST 2012

The issue nobody is addressing is the grandmother problem
My grandmother will most likley say no to having NBN connected just out 
of habit (yes even just for voice, she will say she doesn't understand 
it etc etc).
She is even under the impression that loyalty to a telco is worth 
something these days.
If 60% of the population have some magic NBN enum system it had better 
work just like a pstn phone number from the outside.

Thats why I was thinking its a govt/nbnco level service, not something 
that should be done by lots of private operators who are inclined to 
ensure that free phone calls don't happen.
perhaps they could resell access to it in return for tech support etc.

I see a national enum system running over general IP perhaps not the 
specific voice port on the NBN hardware unless you are a "carrier" on 
the nbn.
The point of differentiation is carriers get QOS and dedicated bandwidth 
etc, whereas over the plain line its up to your IP carriers network.

As far as VoIP over 3G/whatever, telstra is the only network i've seen 
with half a chance, I've done it on optus and the delay is measured in 
(best I have achieved is a 26 second ping over IGMP) Point is mobile 
data isn't up to the job (yet) that mobile voice provides.

On 16/04/12 14:56, Mark Newton wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 02:43:08PM +1000, Paul Brooks wrote:
>   >  As for P2P SIP - no, not until we get universal ENUM or similar.
>   >  Your phone handset still wants to dial a phone number, not an IP
>   >  address - again, for many years to come.
> Depends on your definition of "many".
> My iPhone very rarely dials a phone number.  It dials names of
> people and businesses that are indexed in various directory
> services (local address books, LDAP, recent calls lists, web)
> The shift from "dialing phone numbers" to "dialing users" on
> mobile phones happened quite quickly, and was linked to
> advances in the storage capacity of the phone (my first mobile
> phone could store 16 fast-dial entries; If my iPhone's address
> book has a limit, it's so large that I'll never know what it is)
> No particular reason to believe that fixed-line phones won't
> go the same way.  NBN is supposed to last for a century
> after all, right?
> (my mother's DECT cordless stores 99 fast-dials; but its
> user interface is abysmal, and she never uses any of them.
> "Fixed line" phones have a lot of catching up to do, but
> they'll either do it or get replaced)
> Another trend that I wouldn't overlook is the possibility that
> voice will move virtually entirely to mobile, leaving fixed
> line for broadband-only.  The only thing stopping that from
> happening is carrier billing models which make mobile more
> expensive than fixed, and even that isn't sufficient to make
> many users give-up on fixed phones at home.
>    - mark
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