[AusNOG] iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
Skeeve Stevens
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Sun Sep 4 00:21:44 EST 2011
Only for things in iTunes though… and that will never be photos and documents.
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From: Nathan Brookfield <nathan.brookfield at serversaustralia.com.au<mailto:nathan.brookfield at serversaustralia.com.au>>
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 23:03:35 +1000
To: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve at eintellego.net<mailto:skeeve at eintellego.net>>
Cc: Greg Lipschitz <Greg at thesummitgroup.com.au<mailto:Greg at thesummitgroup.com.au>>, "ausnog at ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>" <ausnog at ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
iCloud works by scanning your music and movies etc looking for ID3 tags and similar and then gives you high quality AAC audio files 'from' the cloud.
Only files that cannot be matched in the Apple library are uploaded.
This means, in theory, Most data transferred would be CDN delivered where uploaded content would be fairly rare.
Kindest Regards,
Nathan Brookfield
On 03/09/2011, at 8:58 PM, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net<mailto:Skeeve at eintellego.net>> wrote:
Hey Greg,
Couple of things.
Incremental is only for documents you've already got. Rip a new CD into your iTunes, create new documents, take 50 photos, and it all new uploads… every time for the first time.
Also, when I activate iCloud backup, it says that it will disable 'automatic' iTunes… but I think you can still do it manually.
Btw… anything you upload to iCloud at the moment can be deleted at any time… hope you saw that in the beta7 release notes ;-)
…Skeeve
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From: Greg Lipschitz <<mailto:Greg at thesummitgroup.com.au>Greg at thesummitgroup.com.au<mailto:Greg at thesummitgroup.com.au>>
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 10:53:04 +0000
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Subject: RE: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
It's funny you bring this up Skeeve.
I just backed up my phone to iCloud last night..... 3.5GB of data pushed up to Apple. I'd hate to see my restore time on it.
It's only once you've backed it up for the first time that you actually get the option as to what you want to and don't want to include in your backup. From there on, its incremental.
In my case, I've got 2.5GB of topographical maps for when I go out bush, do I really want them backed up... couldn't give to hoots. Just my basic settings and apps, even if it doesn't backup the apps just simply remember what I had so I can do a base restore and then it pulls them from the appstore again, that would be more than acceptable.
I think Apple will find out very very quickly that their method of handing backup is flawed and they will have to revise how they do it and what they actually backup.
The one think that really erks me is that once you enable iCloud on your iOS device, bye bye local sync. Which dip shit thought this one up! Really, why wouldn't you still want a local copy for "quick" restore. If I lost my iPhone right now, It would be a few hours before it were restored..... stoopid idea Mr Jobs.
My 2c Worth..... cheers and beers all. Enjoy the rest of the weekend!
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Subject: [AusNOG] iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
Hey all,
I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have on the Internet.
My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical (DSL, Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' obscene amounts of gigs of music, tv, backups, email, photos, documents/data and so on to their data centres.
Now, don't misunderstand me, I love the concept of iCloud, as I do DropBox, but from an Access Providers perspective, I'm thinking this might be a 'bad thing'.
>From what I can see there are some key issues:
* Users with plans that count upload and download together.
* The speed of Asymmetric tail technology such as DSL
* The design of access provider backhaul (from DSLAM to core) metrics
* The design of some transit metrics
So basically the potential issue is that a large residential provider could have thousands of users connect to iCloud, their connections slowed because of uploading data, burning their included bandwidth caps, slowing down the backhaul segment of the network, and as residential providers are mostly download, some purchase transit from their upstreams in an symmetric fashion.
This post is really just to prompt discussion if people think there is anything to actually worry about, or there are other implications that I've not really thought of yet.
…Skeeve
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