[AusNOG] iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?

[David N]

I'm not on the "in" for this...but I'd heard that the frontend was azure
driven with master datastores hosted in a new datacentre west of RTP...



On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 20:57 +1000, Angelo Giuffrida wrote:
> Possibly, but wouldn't it make sense for Apple to haul it all via a
> CDN instead?
> 
> 
> And they could cache it on their local mirrors, but it could pose
> issues with music storage (seeing as it could potentially be stored on
> multiple caches) which I didn't think of. 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Angelo
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/09/2011, at 8:54 PM, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I thought Akamai was for download only?  And would they really
> > replicate all their customers data to each of the Akamai caches? I
> > doubt it… 
> > 
> > 
> > Akamai then wouldn't be involved in my thoughts in the iCloud
> > solution…  just thinking out loud here.
> > 
> > 
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> > From: Angelo Giuffrida <angelo.giuffrida at gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 20:52:17 +1000
> > To: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve at eintellego.net>
> > Cc: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         I believe majority of Apple's iCloud service will be
> >         delivered by Akamai CDN. I'm not 100% sure if they utilise
> >         PipeIX (I think they do), but regardless I do believe some
> >         ISP's peer with Akamai directly so it shouldn't pose that
> >         much impact for providers that have strong peering
> >         partnerships. 
> >         
> >         
> >         Just my two cents on the issue, but it does commoditise
> >         cloud based storage for the average user, so I could see a
> >         potential negative impact for providers, so it's a great
> >         discussion to be had. *wink* any providers want to offer
> >         their thoughts? *wink*
> >         
> >         
> >         Cheers
> >         
> >         
> >         Angelo 
> >         
> >         Sent from my iPhone
> >         
> >         On 03/09/2011, at 8:44 PM, Skeeve Stevens
> >         <Skeeve at eintellego.net> wrote:
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         > Hey all,
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple)
> >         > will have on the Internet.  
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is
> >         > Asymmetrical (DSL, Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when
> >         > launched will 'upload' obscene amounts of gigs of music,
> >         > tv, backups, email, photos, documents/data and so on to
> >         > their data centres.  
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > Now, don't misunderstand me, I love the concept of iCloud,
> >         > as I do DropBox, but from an Access Providers perspective,
> >         > I'm thinking this might be a 'bad thing'.
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > From what I can see there are some key issues:
> >         >       * Users with plans that count upload and download
> >         >         together.
> >         >       * The speed of Asymmetric tail technology such as
> >         >         DSL
> >         >       * The design of access provider backhaul (from DSLAM
> >         >         to core) metrics
> >         >       * The design of some transit metrics
> >         > So basically the potential issue is that a large
> >         > residential provider could have thousands of users connect
> >         > to iCloud, their connections slowed because of uploading
> >         > data, burning their included bandwidth caps, slowing down
> >         > the backhaul segment of the network, and as residential
> >         > providers are mostly download, some purchase transit from
> >         > their upstreams in an symmetric fashion.
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > This post is really just to prompt discussion if people
> >         > think there is anything to actually worry about, or there
> >         > are other implications that I've not really thought of
> >         > yet.
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > …Skeeve
> >         > 
> >         > 
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