[AusNOG] Internode goes Carbon Neutral

Bill Walker Bill.Walker at staff.snap.net.nz
Thu Nov 19 14:34:54 EST 2009


"One obvious pitfall that comes to mind though is making sure you don't cause a flood in your DC from all the moisture that gets condensed out of the colder outside air thats coming into the DC to replace your hot exhaust."

Proper design would mean that air would need to come through filters etc, then into your coolers intake? (or the heat exchange in a liquid system). Once in the cooler its built in (de)humidifier should sort out the moisture issue.

Both APC and Rittal use Liquid Process Coolers, so within the data centre it's a sealed system. The cooling is done via an external chiller which uses a heat exchanger to cool the water from the sealed system.
 
On 19/11/2009, at 8:05 AM, Bill Walker wrote:

> If you contain the Cold aisle and have a common hot area, then you can vent the hot into space. IMO a free air chiller is a better option. But retro fitting a vent is much easier than a new chiller.
> 
> Most of the major rack vendors can do in row cooling / cold aisle containment solutions, I've seen solutions from:
> 
> APC
> Rittal
> And Rack Technologies
> 
> The Rittal one stands out as their coolers intake only requires the water to be at 15 degree, which at least in NZ means we can use tap water in the event of a chiller failure. But Rack technologies will give you the option of a fully tailored rack.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Internode goes Carbon Neutral
> 
>> 
>> What about venting hot air if atmosphere temperatue is lower than the
>> outtake of the hot aisle (especially if our hot aisle is contained).
> 
> Who here is actually doing this in .au ? I know of a variety of DC in the New York area doing this, curious to know who has or is in the process of building DC's that have these innovations. It's something our new DC will be doing from day 1, would certainly be nice to chat to some people who are also doing it and have experienced the challenges of the Australian environment.
> 
>> Datacentre efficency doesn't have to be hard or expensive, most of the
>> time it is a combination of common sense and pragmatic implimentation.
> 
> One of the very interesting things I am seeing is what appears to be an apparent use of other technologies to overcome outright design efficiencies (which then exclude other future options of a traditional space) Eg in-row and in-rack cooling has become rather popular in certain areas, and although I don't disagree it has it's applications, yep, sure, you have a container to work with, your ceilings are 20 ft high, you've been given a tin shed, etc. BUT, if you have the capacity to build the DC from scratch and you have the capacity to design it properly, with good hot/cold separation, overhead plenums, etc, and it's going to be around for a while, the assertion that things like in-row are better than a properly designed DC, are imho, a fallacy. Esp when you consider things like the option to vent the hot aisle to the outside, which I don't see how you could do easily with in-rack or in-row cooling, (but I'm not a expert in this field either).
> 
> <non colo provider related stuff skipped>
> 
>> I would be very interested to hear from anyone who is employing of
>> these optimization strategies in their organization.
> 
> As you mention a lot of this is common sense from the lessons others have learned over many years. Eg today still, DC being built where the practice is still to use perimeter cooling design, and it's just left like that. Is there any containment between hot and cold? No. is there any exhaust chimney into overhead plenum in the roof space? No. Have we even made any attempt to adjust the grills so we have even at least even distribution of air through the rack instead of 10x as much CFM at the ends versus the middle? No. If we have a bit of a mish mash and poor hot/aisle containment, have we attempted to do any CFD modeling and/or reorganise? Then this DC be shocked and horrified when <insert vendor here> comes along and shows the massive savings they can make by moving to another cooling methodology!! That said, I do appreciate, we all do what we can with the budgets we have, and that has a factor to play, but if we are trying to claim a 'state of the art' facility ...........
> 
> --matt
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