[AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange

[Matthew Moyle-Croft]

Hi,
I don't feel the time is yet there.   It may come next year, but rushing 
forward now may make something we don't want to happen inevitable.  

MMC

Curtis Bayne wrote:
>
> This is a concept which I have been considering in depth for about two 
> years now.
>
> It's gone as far as a planning stage, but we pulled back in the belief 
> that, as a commercial organization, we do not add any value over 
> current commercial operations - put quite simply, it's a "nice to 
> have" but as an commercial venture it is doomed to failure (this is a 
> testament to the quality of PIPE's product).
>
> I am both willing and able to participate, whether it be financially 
> or through the provision of space (co-location or otherwise) to make a 
> venture such as this a reality.
>
> Anyone in Brisbane who is *serious* about making this happen can 
> contact me either on or off list - I am happy to provide resources, 
> strategic direction or moral support (whatever is most needed) and I 
> don't doubt there are others like me willing to support this kind of 
> operation.
>
> Curtis
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Adrian Chadd
> Sent: Wed 12/16/2009 4:11 PM
> To: Daragh Mc Grath
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009, Daragh Mc Grath wrote:
> > I'm glad to see this discussion has been kicked off here, it's something
> > I've thought about on and off over the past few years.
> >
> > Having worked for a major European exchange in the past (LINX) I've been
> > disappointed by the approach to peering here in Australia since I moved
> > around 2 years ago. Not having the big telco's present at exchange 
> points is
> > the obvious cause, and given their willingness to participate at other
> > exchange points around the world but not at home, this is disappointing.
>
> There's reasons for this.
>
> > I believe that unless you have the major players engaged, an alternative
> > exchange is not going to happen (or may do, but won't be as 
> successful as it
> > should!). The best way of trying to encourage that is for an 
> exchange to be
> > setup as outlined by MMC, mutually owned and most importantly, 
> operate as a
> > not for profit. To quote LINX, existing for the good of the internet.
> >
> > I will be following this thread with interest.
>
> The large telcos don't peer publicly because they want to sell transit.
> Larger ISPs that started peering when they were smaller ISPs are waking
> up to this.
>
> ISPs in the European/American markets have woken up to this. You can't
> necessarily get peering with everyone these days. The telco's may be
> at an IX but they won't peer with you at it. The reason the large
> telco's were historically at the AU IXes is because of the MLPA mandate.
> It does not at all mean they do not peer.
>
>
>
>
> Adrian
>
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