[AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange

[Steve Baxter]

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Cheers,

SB 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Curtis Bayne
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:30 PM
> To: Adrian Chadd; Daragh Mc Grath
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
> 
> This is a concept which I have been considering in depth for 
> about two years now.
> 
> It's gone as far as a planning stage, but we pulled back in 
> the belief that, as a commercial organization, we do not add 
> any value over current commercial operations - put quite 
> simply, it's a "nice to have" but as an commercial venture it 
> is doomed to failure (this is a testament to the quality of 
> PIPE's product).
> 
> I am both willing and able to participate, whether it be 
> financially or through the provision of space (co-location or 
> otherwise) to make a venture such as this a reality.
> 
> Anyone in Brisbane who is *serious* about making this happen 
> can contact me either on or off list - I am happy to provide 
> resources, strategic direction or moral support (whatever is 
> most needed) and I don't doubt there are others like me 
> willing to support this kind of operation.
> 
> Curtis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Adrian Chadd
> Sent: Wed 12/16/2009 4:11 PM
> To: Daragh Mc Grath
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
> 
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009, Daragh Mc Grath wrote:
> > I'm glad to see this discussion has been kicked off here, it's 
> > something I've thought about on and off over the past few years.
> >
> > Having worked for a major European exchange in the past (LINX) I've 
> > been disappointed by the approach to peering here in 
> Australia since I 
> > moved around 2 years ago. Not having the big telco's present at 
> > exchange points is the obvious cause, and given their 
> willingness to 
> > participate at other exchange points around the world but 
> not at home, this is disappointing.
> 
> There's reasons for this.
> 
> > I believe that unless you have the major players engaged, an 
> > alternative exchange is not going to happen (or may do, but 
> won't be 
> > as successful as it should!). The best way of trying to 
> encourage that 
> > is for an exchange to be setup as outlined by MMC, mutually 
> owned and 
> > most importantly, operate as a not for profit. To quote 
> LINX, existing for the good of the internet.
> >
> > I will be following this thread with interest.
> 
> The large telcos don't peer publicly because they want to 
> sell transit.
> Larger ISPs that started peering when they were smaller ISPs 
> are waking up to this.
> 
> ISPs in the European/American markets have woken up to this. 
> You can't necessarily get peering with everyone these days. 
> The telco's may be at an IX but they won't peer with you at 
> it. The reason the large telco's were historically at the AU 
> IXes is because of the MLPA mandate.
> It does not at all mean they do not peer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Adrian
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