[AusNOG] What does an IPv6 broadband service look like? WAS Re:IPv4 Exhaustion
mmc at internode.com.au
Fri Aug 1 15:02:24 EST 2008
Clever CPE is a very interesting approach - why do v4 to v4 NAT at the
ISP when you can do v4 to IPv6 at the consumer.
On 01/08/2008, at 2:24 PM, Barrie Hall wrote:
> Very good question.
> The thinking around here goes like this (with all the usual "my
> thoughts, not my employer disclaimer"):
> Pre-V4 Exhaustion: Dual stack 4/4 and 6/6 (and maybe 4/6)
> As we approach exhaustion: Dual Stack 4/4/4 and 6/6 (and maybe 4/6)
> That middle '4' is a bone of great contention which I am not going
> to let go of. Failed to get it APNIC 25.
> Getting into more general terms I think we all need to acknowledge
> that for 99.99% of our customers, there is nothing in V6 for them.
> For the industry, it's all about keeping the lights on in world
> depleted of V4 address space.
> My personal view is that, from a customer's perspective, we should
> not be insisting that they upgrade their home network devices (PC's)
> to support V6. That implies some clever CPE and thats the real
> problem. The CPE vendors are behind.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Moyle-Croft
> To: Mark Newton
> Cc: Chris Chaundy ; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:48 AM
> Subject: [AusNOG] What does an IPv6 broadband service look like? WAS
> Re:IPv4 Exhaustion
> To change direction a little here to focus this on something other
> than NAT:
> One thing that is on my mind and we have internally been struggling
> with is:
> What DOES an IPv6 broadband service really look and smell like?
> It's not that easy to map our existing ingrained views on an IPv4
> broadband service onto a v6 or dual stack world.
> What IP ranges do customers get with IPv6? /128 and NAT/Proxy? /
> 96? /64? /48? etc
> Do they necessarily get a static subnet? Why/Why Not? What
> implications does it have for your internal IGP?
> If they get a static subnet then do they get to play with reverse
> How will the transition from v4 to dual stack to some interim step
> to v6 only go?
> I know a lot of the geeks will go "well, obviously a static /48 with
> our own controllable reverse mappings" but on a LARGE scale with
> mostly non-geek home users then what exactly does it look like?
> What do the CPE vendors need to support? What do we need to support?
> Matthew Moyle-Croft Internode/Agile Peering and Core Networks
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